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Old October 16th 06, 23:44   #51
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Re: EpDis: A View From The Gallery

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And there's no communication between races, no IA, no ISN, no remote probes, etc.
Not covering and monitoring the complete entirity of the vastness of space, no. Space is just too big for me to be shocked and confounded that they would actually miss something, even something as big as a fleet fo ships. I wouldn't even be surprised if they missed a planet. There are, after all, somewhere between 200 and 400 billion stars in the Milky Way spread over a distance of 80,000 to 100,000 lightyears in diameter, 250,000 to 300,000 lightyears in circumference, and 1000 lightyears in thickness outside of the core's area. So, yeah, there's a lot of space out there in space. Lot's of space for things, even fleets, to hide in.
A fleet of ships going through space <u>attacking</u> entire races/systems as they go, isn't exactly <u>"hiding."</u> Now if they'd been travelling radio-silent, in stealth ships, <u>not</u> interacting, like the Technomage exodus to the hiding place, that'd be different, <u>but they weren't</u>.
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Old October 16th 06, 23:56   #52
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Re: EpDis: A View From The Gallery

And yet again, we begin to bicker and argue over a rather insignificant detail of an old TV show.

Let's just accept that some people don't like the way the alien race was handled, some people don't mind it, and move on to discussing other eps.
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Old October 17th 06, 00:16   #53
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And yet again, we begin to bicker and argue over a rather insignificant detail of an old TV show.

Let's just accept that some people don't like the way the alien race was handled, some people don't mind it, and move on to discussing other eps.
It seemed out-of-character for the show, much like "Thirdspace" and "To Live and Die in Starlight," to me. Who knows, if we keeping getting more stuff like that, it'll be "in character" for the show.
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Old October 17th 06, 00:20   #54
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So, just for fun, I decided to actually read through some of the Lurker's Guide synopsis, and what's the first thing it says?

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In hyperspace, a probe is destroyed by passing fighters. Shortly thereafter, Capt. Lochley is awakened by a call from Lt. Corwin, telling her of the probe's destruction. "Is it them?" she asks, but the probe was destroyed too quickly to give much information. She gets up and goes to C&amp;C.

When she gets there she informs the command crew that this is probably the scouting party they've been warned about....
So, we've got our probe encountering and being destroyed by the fleet. And Lochley asks "is it them?" and then talks to the command personnel about this being the onese they were warned about. So they've all been talking about and communicating with other governments about the fleet; it's not like the fleet just came out of nowhere. They've been anticipating them. They were warned about them.

So, just because we aren't given some huge endless list of details about this race, it's not as if the people in command hadn't been getting some information on them for at least a little bit of time; the race wasn't some big and total surprise. We viewers get this episode through the perspectives of two plain maintenence workers, so it makes sense that we're not getting some giant military intelligence dossier on this fleet because maintenance workers wouldn't be getting that information either. It fits the story being told in the episode.
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Old October 17th 06, 00:23   #55
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It seemed out of character for the show, to me.
The show's done unusual episodes before; "And Now For A Word" for example tells a story in a different way than most episodes. "A Vew From The Gallery" is another such unusual episode, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't fit in with the rest of the show just because the way it tells the story that it tells is done differently than most of the episodes. It's not like it's the only unusual episode in the whole show.
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Old October 17th 06, 08:21   #56
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Yeah, blah..blah.. blah whatever. Either it worked or it didn't. They filmed it, they aired it, and it sucked! More than even the ISN episodes. This is my very very most unfavorite out of all 110. I've only acquired up to volume 9 of the scripts but I think I still remember enough to trash it. This is where season 5 really bit, and it never got much better IMHO (though there were moments).

"Matt what are these things for?"
"What do you mean what are they for? You run them over the floor like this... "
"No, I mean what do they DO? They don't clean it or anything."
"Something for the metal, I don't know. Maybe it makes it stronger."
"You mean you don't know what it does either?"
"No."
"Well, then I guess it's time for lunch."

Give me a break. I'm sorry. I love 95% of B5 but this is absolute crap. Also that, "Tastes like chicken," routine. PuhLEASE!

I appreciated the conversation that Franklin had with that maintenance guy (Bo?). I've always identified with Franklin, maybe because I'm an ER doc too, but I've had those types of conversations with medics. Real heart to hearts, where you give up some of yourself, hoping that maybe it will touch the other person enough to maybe prevent them from making your mistakes, or living through your pain. ...Maybe just to let them know that they're not alone in their feelings, that doing the right thing isn't necessarily hopeless, and maybe they are not the only one who wants to go the easy route and give into the system. That was good stuff. Really good imo. But it was just once scene. ... oh and that scene where Jíkar talks about growing up in bomb shelters. That was good too.

But then thereís that battle where theyíre watching live killing like itís on wide screen TV. The only thing that was missing was popcorn. Even though they talked like itís deep, their mannerisms and body postures donít make you believe that *they* believe that people are getting killed out there. Itís like they are sitting on a stage delivering a speech, not acting in a TV show. More like a demonstration during an acting class or something. Itís just not good. Itís not believable. Not REAL.

Oh yeah, and then there was when Sheridan trusted his wifeís life to two maintenance workers that he had never met before??? Come ON! I just donít buy any of it.

And then thereís Byron! Meh. Any episode with him automatically loses a grade point. There goes the tiny little boost that this episode got for the Franklin scene. Nothing else redeems it. I mean, I do understand where JMS was going. I understand that there are many perspectives and they are all just as valid as the other. I do appreciate that there are always people around hearing part of what we say and putting things together for themselves without knowing all the facts; just as we do from otherís perspectivesí. But it just doesnít WORK. Itís dumb. Itís silly; almost embarrassing at times. At least thatís how I feel.

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Old October 17th 06, 08:32   #57
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Feels real to me.
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Old October 17th 06, 09:20   #58
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Of all the off-format episodes, I think A View from the Gallery is one of the least succesful, IMO, but it isn't the worst of them. The alien invaders do seem contrived (and look really naff, but I guess they were on a budget) but I guess they aren't that important, they're just a plot device to frame the story around (I just imagine that they are some minions of the Shadows who have got above their station and have come looking for revenge against the station - but we can all make up our own ideas, and I don't think it matters).

Bo and Mack are ok as characters but some of the dialogue (highlighted by Deaded, above) is pretty risable. This epsiode also seems to be the point where the special effects really take a downturn, not just in terms of the quality of the CGI but particularly in how the animators are making the spaceships move and framing the scenes.

Overall I like the concept of this episode, though maybe the execution wasn't that great. There were some nice moments, and of the early run of season 5 episodes its probably one of the better ones.

Oh, and if anyything had happened while they were with Delenn, I imagine it would have beeen her looking after Bo and Mack rather than the other way around.
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Old October 17th 06, 12:02   #59
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First off I would like to say that I think a fleet of ships could hide very easily in space.You could make an attack and be light years away before any rescue/inspection team get there.Then there is the possabilty that they were hiding in hyperspace.It was known that there was a hostile fleet,it just wasn't known where they were at that moment.

As for people watching the battle like it was a TV show why not?People do it here,the Iraq war being a prime example.You can not expect every alien race to have human mannerisms or body language either.A alien smile could signify fear as much as happyness.

Have to agree with the point made about Byron.Easily the most boring and annoying character ever to grace B5.

I thought the episode was ok but as far as the series goes one of the worst.The thing is that the show was of such a high quality that an episode that is just "average" seems worse.
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Old October 17th 06, 16:02   #60
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I think the episode might have been more effective if we had not even seen Sheridan, Lochley, or any of the other command staff. Even though Mac and Bo were just maintenance workers, they seemed to run into quite a few important people and events during the battle.

Also, it might have made the dialogue more interesting if at least one of the two did not like Sheridan or Lochley all that much. Not everyone has to swoon and talk about what an honor it is to serve with the main characters. Now, I like the main characters but I just thought it woud be interesting if Mac or Bo had a more negative view on things.

I mean, there are plenty of people in the military who serve honorably even if they think the president--whether Bush, Clinton, or anyone else--is a sack of crap.
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