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Old January 20th 06, 01:25   #1
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EpDis: War Without End Part Two

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Old January 20th 06, 01:27   #2
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Re: EpDis: War Without End Part Two

Since there's a current thread already going for discussion of the ep, I figured I might as well go ahead and put up the thread for the poll for the ep too even though it was only a couple days ago that I put up the last poll.

For both part one and part two, I say excellent.
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Old January 20th 06, 02:29   #3
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I'd say amazing and excellent, considering these two are seasons apart. The original idea that this would occur in season 4, or maybe 5 shows the breadth of the vision, but I personally like the way it resolved the "Sinclair Question" and allowed the story to procede. Damn good, IMHO.
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Old January 20th 06, 12:31   #4
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This is what Babylon 5 was all about. And let's face it, confusing details aside, it's the best time-travel twist EVER written for a science fiction show.
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Old January 23rd 06, 10:04   #5
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This is what Babylon 5 was all about. And let's face it, confusing details aside, it's the best time-travel twist EVER written for a science fiction show.
I agree 100%. When I first saw this and the Valen mystery was revealed, it was such a great moment. What a great twist
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Old January 23rd 06, 12:21   #6
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I felt just like Marcus... when the realization dawned on him and he said something to the effect of "Dear god... a Minbari not born of Minbari..."
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Old January 24th 06, 04:12   #7
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Re: EpDis: War Without End Part Two

I just watched these two eps, and I noticed something in part 2 that I never noticed before. In this ep, we see Londo's Keeper on his right shoulder, but in season 5, he gets the Keeper on his left. Is this an inconsistancy or might it be possible that the Keeper can switch sides if it wants to? Anyone have any thoughts?
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Old January 24th 06, 04:51   #8
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Old January 24th 06, 09:06   #9
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Re: EpDis: War Without End Part Two

This episode is much better than the first part, but it does suffer a little by having to jam so much plot into the episode, and the way the story got Delenn into that blue suit seemed a little contrived to me.

I wasn't completely surprised that Sinclair would become Valen because there were enough hints throughout the two episodes (could Marcus and Ivanova's conversation be any more obvious and clumsy?), and in previous episodes too (I'd never noticed the significance of the "You speak like a Minbari" line until this episode) but I would bever have guessed that Sinclair would turn himself into a Minbari! That did blow me away. So, if I'm being generous, I give this episode an A-.
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Old October 22nd 07, 16:27   #10
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It's almost too much awesome to handle, Sinclair and Sheridan together.

Marcus's reaction is priceless, the realization that more or less he's been hanging out with the Minbari Christ-figure.

Time travel is always alittle bit hard to follow. Minor inconstancies aside, considering that time travel stories are almost always garbage, it's nice to see a careful enough job done that the story makes sense. I'm a little sketchy on writing yourself notes from the past, but I think it holds as long as you don't do something ridiculous like be both of your our own parents like that one short story whose name escapes me...

I'm not altogether thrilled with the "I have to do this because I've already done it," logic... but oh well. I could sit here and ponder time travel all post... but none of that takes away from the fact that the episode was excellent.
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