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A -- Excellent 18 42.86%
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C -- Average 9 21.43%
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Old October 10th 05, 03:45   #21
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Re: EpDis: Passing Through Gethsemane

That was the thing. When "Gesthemene" started, I was so pleased to see him playing that type of character for a change, and then WHAM! Guess what? He's a serial killer. A remember voicing my disappointment out loud at the time.
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Old October 10th 05, 05:37   #22
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then WHAM! Guess what? He's a serial killer.
No, he was a serial killer. That is quite a different thing. When we see him, he is quite a different person. That is part of what I like so much about this ep. It shows that we are not slaves to our genes, we have vast possibilities in life. The same person could turn out in such different ways. If his life had been different in some ways, he would never have become a serial killer. Once that was erased, he was free to be a much better person, which is the person we saw.

There is an ill-named, and not overly good scifi film, The Butterfly Effect, that uses that theme, that differences in our lives can lead us to be quite different people. I did like that aspect of that film.
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Old October 10th 05, 09:26   #23
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Re: EpDis: Passing Through Gethsemane

There is also a little thing called "hiring the actor that you think will do the best job playing the character". Brother Edward gave BD the chance to play both sides of the coin at the same time - don't forget, we never actually see the serial killer character except in a few brief shots of vid from the trial and a brief flashback.

The character that we see, and the character that BD plays pretty much throughout the episode, is the "reformed" Brother Edward, not Charles Dexter.

If you want your audience to believe that the gentle, deep thinking and humble man you see before you was once a vicious serial murderer then you need to hire an actor who can pull that off in just a few very short scenes. Dourif did that very very well ... and the fact that we have seen him play that type of character before probably helped that along.
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Old October 20th 05, 15:55   #24
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Brilliant! Also note that this is the first of the LONG list of messes that Lyta teeps them out of, only to be completely ignored once the situation is sorted. That always drove me nuts. She helped them over and over because it was the right thing, and got zip. The odd "thank you" would have saved them SO much trouble later.
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Brilliant! Also note that this is the first of the LONG list of messes that Lyta teeps them out of, only to be completely ignored once the situation is sorted. That always drove me nuts. She helped them over and over because it was the right thing, and got zip. The odd "thank you" would have saved them SO much trouble later.
Yeah, it's called being underappreciated and taken for granted, and something we're probably all familiar with. (Yeah, I know I ended with a preposition. Send the Narns with bats.)
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Old October 21st 05, 08:39   #26
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Absolutely. Here begins Lyta's long road to Byron's ... erm ... cause.

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Re: EpDis: Passing Through Gethsemane

I liked this one! I know...but what can I say, I like them all! I gave it an "A", too!

Brad Douriff was so good. He was so convincingly tortured, shocked that he was once a cold-blooded killer!

I remember seeing him in Lord of the Rings. I just sat there and stared at him. It was his eyes...I kept telling myself, "I know those eyes!!" It took me a little while...the hair threw me off..but I finally figured out who it was!
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Old October 22nd 05, 21:54   #28
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Yeah, it took me a while too, but then I said, "That's Brother Edward!" when I saw Grima.
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Old October 23rd 05, 00:14   #29
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I just finished watching two towers with my girlfriend, and whenever I see wormtongue, I just go 'thats suder'. The entire film there was something else nagging at me. This is it!
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This is one of my top 5 favorite eps of the entire saga. Mainly because of Douriff. I've been a fan of his for eons it seems and to have him play such a tragic and complex character was delightful. A *very* long way from Doc Cochran (Deadwood's sawbones, for those unfamiliar), but still one in a long line of brilliant characterizations from a master.

This brought to light some of JMS' most stirring and troubling themes. One, who among us would be brave enough to take one for the home team? Two, what is the nature of forgiveness and is it **really** possible to totally forgive someone?

Truly deep stuff. I just watched it again on DVD and even after all this time of B5 drought here in my little hermitage, it's still just as riveting as ever.

Oh, and by way of post script. . .this is proof that no good deed goes unpunished--Lyta's abandonment by the very people she's helped to save so many times, despite certain personal peril. And, what goes around comes around. The poster above said it: a little gratitude would've gone a very long way with Lyta. Too bad they were all too blind to appreciate what she did. Well, other than poor little Zack and his really unappetizing-looking pizza.

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