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vacantlook March 16th 07 01:38

EpDis: In The Beginning
 
Refresher Links:
Lurker's Guide Main Page for In The Beginning
Lurker's Guide Extended Synopsis for In The Beginning

We now move onto the telemovies.

Jan March 16th 07 01:46

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My favorite of all of the movies.

Jan

hypatia March 16th 07 01:52

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Same here, my favorite by far. It's hard to imagine the B5 universe without it.

vacantlook March 16th 07 03:24

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"But in the end, they ran out of time...." -- Londo

Londo's monologue (particularly that final line) and the President's plea are considerably chilling and emotional.

RMcD March 16th 07 07:49

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Found it disappointing. Not in all respects, but in many. Watched the awesome trailer that came on some of the VHS releases in the leadup to it's release endlessly, got my expectations up really high, got my copy signed by Jerry Doyle and Mira Furlan (:) :)) then watched it for the first time and couldn't help feeling that it didn't mesh as well as I'd expected. The moments are there, especially when it comes to the awesomeness at the end and the music, but the pacing is odd from a storytelling perspective (key characters appearing and disappearing seemingly at random), the structure is odd (sometimes, as in the Franklin's notes scene, it feels like a direct transliteration of everything the characters said about the period during the series, at others, as with the Franklin / Sheridan / G'Kar plotline, it feels like filler based on some very unlikely conincidences that were never hinted at before). It has several grammatical stumbles in the dialogue, suggesting parts of it might have been filmed in a rush.

It's not a good introduction to B5. It spoils too much of the mystery of the Shadows, the Rangers, Sinclair's capture and Delenn's transformation. The subject matter leaves little room for B5's fun sense of humour and irreverance. I usually save this until after season 4, where I think it belongs.

Things I do like: The first contact scene is awesome, very movie-like. The Battle of the Line is awesome. Dukhat is awesome. The soundtrack is awesome. Londo is awesome as narrator. The effects are great, even where they don't always mesh. Mira Furlan is great. There are some really memorable lines.

I don't think prequels are a generally a good idea. This is okay, but I marginally prefer Thirdspace and A Call to Arms.

KoshFan March 16th 07 09:18

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It had more of Kosh in it. Therefore I was pleased.

RW7427 March 16th 07 13:02

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ItB was also my favorite of the movies. Excellent stuff! :cool:

Boxie March 16th 07 13:24

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I really liked In the Beginning. I thought Peter's performance was just excellent, his words so haunting as he moved in and out of darkness. I also liked it that we got to see the battle. The floating blood was cool! :D Of course, not all of it "floated"... :D I think we had one "drip", but it was still cool. I gave it an "A"!

Recoil March 16th 07 15:26

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Originally Posted by RMcD (Post 291849)
The subject matter leaves little room for B5's fun sense of humour and irreverance.

Wait a sec. B5 has a fun sense of humor?

I've always thought humor is the one area that B5 never got right, and always failed to deliver. Some of the weakest and cheesiest moments in all of B5 are where they are trying to be funny...and it comes across as forced and always feels out of place. The humor in B5 in no way compares to other shows that really did a good job mixing it in (Joss Whedon's shows come to mind).

And truthfully, I don't think they really should have tried. Im OK with B5 not having a high, or even good, humor content. I think it should have been more of a serious drama and they should have left all attempts at humor out. BSG is just fine without trying to pull off campy humor here and there.

Boy, that wasn't totally on topic was it?

Although I do agree with your comments about how ItB felt very odd in its timing and delivery. I like it the best out of all the movies, and think its a great piece of the series, and one of its better moments/stories. However, I remember rewatching it with a friend and thinking "Man...there is a LOT of dialogue in this...its kind of...boring." It tells a great story, but I can see where many people might be turned off by its odd pacing.

PillowRock March 16th 07 16:26

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Originally Posted by Recoil (Post 291873)
Wait a sec. B5 has a fun sense of humor?

I've always thought humor is the one area that B5 never got right, and always failed to deliver. Some of the weakest and cheesiest moments in all of B5 are where they are trying to be funny...and it comes across as forced and always feels out of place.

I agree with the last sentence that some of their worst moments were times when they tried too hard to be funny.

However, I also always found plenty of humor in the show that just flowed from the characters (some more than others).

So while one thing about which Cartagia was absolutely correct was the observation that "Humor is so subjective.", and not everyone is going to find the same things funny, I always found B5 to have a decent sense of humor.

Zathrus was funny. Other characters' reactions to Zathrus were often funny. Londo was often funny. Ivanova in snide, sarcastic comment mode could be funny. While Ivanova in uncomfortable squirming mode could cross over into the "trying too hard" column, there were times when it felt natural for the character and worked for me (such as when Vir asks her for advice because he has never gotten beyond 2). Marcus could be funny (although, for some reason this was usually when he was teamed with either Stephen or Susan). Heck, even Cartagia could be funny .... in a dark and twisted way to be sure, but it sometimes made me laugh.

hypatia March 16th 07 16:47

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As far as I can remember, one of the funniest moments of the series was between Vir and Lennier. When they were complaining about their jobs and ended with "same time tomorrow" "yea" or whatever. :lol:

That was, for me at least, a bit of a comic gem. :)

PillowRock March 16th 07 18:26

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Yeah, I liked the Vir-Lennier deadpan comedy team. :D

Going back and forth with stuff about: "They never tell us what's going on" .... "until it's too late" and ending saying "It makes me nervous" in absolute unison without looking at each other until after they hear the other say that line in together.

Or:
"Hell of a day"
"Hell of week"
"Hell of a year"
"Hell of a life"
"You win"

KoshFan March 16th 07 19:15

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Comparing any show to Joss Whedon's (in terms of humor) is like comparing all foods with the finest and rarest of cheeses, so that's a little unfair -- but B5's humor was best when it was dry, sardonic wit.

For example, "First you will know fear, and then you will know pain, and then you will die. Enjoy your flight!" was possibly the line that hooked me on B5.

Boxie March 16th 07 19:32

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I thought Susan could be funny; she made me laugh, anyway! :D And Vir!! I loved it when he fell over after finishing that drink! :p

Recoil March 16th 07 20:23

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Originally Posted by Boxie (Post 291883)
I loved it when he fell over after finishing that drink! :p

See, that to me was way forced. Come on. No one, after a tiny sip of a drink, would fall over like that. Hell the alcohol wouldn't have time to get absorbed into his system that fast. That is a textbook "forced" comedy scene. It wasn't realistic, they put it there to try to be cute.

crazyhorse March 16th 07 23:33

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Susan always brought a smile to my face ;) and her deadpan humour is what really made me find her sexy.

Most of the reason I liked season 5 less than the others was that Ivonava wasn't there.

Was nice to see a glimpse of her on this film though.I rate it a B,not my favourite film but excellent none the less.

RW7427 March 17th 07 01:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hypatia (Post 291876)
As far as I can remember, one of the funniest moments of the series was between Vir and Lennier. When they were complaining about their jobs and ended with "same time tomorrow" "yea" or whatever. :lol:

That was, for me at least, a bit of a comic gem. :)


Yeah, I like that too. :D

Telepath March 17th 07 10:51

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I agree with RMcD on that one. I found the movie to be utterly incredible, with so many key characters of B5 playing important roles 10 years earlier. Londo was responsible for enough mayhem in the series, to make him responsible for the failure of peace negotiations in the earth-minbari war stretched credulity to the breaking point. as did many other things, like sending sheridan star-killer in the hour of utmost need to negotiate with the enemy. no, didn' work for me.

KoshFan March 17th 07 11:42

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Yeah, EarthForce keeps saying, "Well, Sheridan destroyed a WarCruiser. That means he can handle the Minbari if he has to." And then they send him out with one Narn and a doctor up on charges, or put him in charge of a not-terribly-well-defended space station, and tell him to keep it coming.

Admittedly he took out the Black Star while Lexington was pretty badly beat up herself, but he still had an asteroid belt and nuclear warheads to work with.

The top brass must have been gambling that his reputation would make the Minbari think twice or something. I don't think it really worked.

GaribaldisHair March 17th 07 13:23

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But the problem is that by doing this movie in the way it would likely have happened in real life, you suddenly find that all of the established B5 characters, with the exception of Delenn, are of little to no importance to the story.

So you get a prequel movie featuring a whole bunch of new characters we don't know, don't care about and are doomed never to even be mentioned in the show (since you have already made 4 seasons of it without mentioning them). Reducing all of the series' characters to the level of Sinclair's cameo would (for me) render the whole project redundant, not to mention how disjointed it would get by repeatedly cutting back from the main narrative (which doesn't now feature Sheridan and the others) to show the incidents already established as having taken place during the Minbari War ... Sheridan taking out the Black Star, Ivanova losing her Brother, Franklin refusing to hand over his notes etc.

I agree it is a stretch, but I don't really think it could have been done any other way.

RMcD March 17th 07 17:19

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It kind of reminds me of that episode in Crusade where it was made to look as though Matheson was pretty much single-handedly responsible for the outcome of the telepath war. I guess more might have been made of it later (Sinclair was pretty much single-handedly responsible for ending the Earth Minbari war, after all), but it still seemed to come out of nowhere.

Recoil March 17th 07 22:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GaribaldisHair (Post 291928)
So you get a prequel movie featuring a whole bunch of new characters we don't know, don't care about and are doomed never to even be mentioned in the show (since you have already made 4 seasons of it without mentioning them). Reducing all of the series' characters to the level of Sinclair's cameo would (for me) render the whole project redundant, not to mention how disjointed it would get by repeatedly cutting back from the main narrative (which doesn't now feature Sheridan and the others) to show the incidents already established as having taken place during the Minbari War ... Sheridan taking out the Black Star, Ivanova losing her Brother, Franklin refusing to hand over his notes etc.

I agree it is a stretch, but I don't really think it could have been done any other way.


Well I think for the MOST part, they did things right. First off, part of the reason for the movie was to SEE what our heroes from the series did in the Earth-Minbari War. We heard about it, but this is putting all the pieces together in one tale.

* Sheridan taking out the Blackstar
* Franklin refusing to hand over his notes
* Delenn's role in the Grey Council
* Sinclair in the Battle of the Line
* GKar selling Weapons with the Narn
* Invanova losing her brother

All those were mentioned in the series. Where they sort of stretched things a bit, was with the added parts that those characters ALSO ended up doing.

Mainly, Franklin and Sheridan being there at the attempted "peace offering" meeting that the Centauri foiled. That to me was an unnecessary stretch. They could have had ANY two Earth people meet GKar (who was a series regular) and Lenon (who was a main character in this movie) and it would have been fine. But for Sheridan and Franklin to also be the ones to go seemed to much for them to do in the War. Couple that with the fact that Franklin doesn't seem to have met Sheridan when he arrived at B5, yet he served with him in a crucial part of the War, and was brought to a Minbari Cruiser with him. Yea, I think after all that, you remember a guy. In fact, they both would have probably remembered GKar.

They should have just let that part be done by someone else.

I do think the additions that Londo did in the War were good, and very believable.

Springer March 18th 07 13:45

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I think In the Beginning isn't bad for what it is, a 90-minute TV movie trying to tell the story of a two-year long interstellar war. I think its short length is one of its main problems, trying to cram in the war film aspect of humanity's battle for survival, the Minbari's search for meaning which they express through war with Earth when they should be expressing it against the Shadows, and setting up and referencing various plot points from the series, is really too much for ninety minutes. There's so much going on that some parts feel forced in an effort to fit it all in and make sense. Now, if they could have made it a three hour epic, they could have fleshed things out a lot more and wouldn't have had to rely on unlikely cameos from the main cast.

I really liked the way they used Londo as the hook into the story, and the ending is spine tingling, even though we know what is going to happen. I don't think it is a very good introduction to the series – too many spoilers – but watching it after the series I think is more rewarding.

My second favourite TV movie, after A Call to Arms.

Recoil March 18th 07 14:27

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I'm not sure I agree. I don't think making it longer would have helped. As I stated above, I've always thought there was already a lot of dialogue for what it was. Its pacing seemed very slow at times. However, I think it DID very well bring out all of the emotion for humanities fight for survival. The last 15-20min is very powerful. The series TALKED about those events but actually seeing them was far more impactful. I think to add too much more to the time would have really taken away from this.

As it was, it was clearly meant for those who had seen the series. Sure, first time viewers could watch it and get enjoyment out of it, but not all the attachment and emotion as someone who watched 4 years of B5.

FreeBaGeL April 1st 07 06:20

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Amazing episode..

dencor April 5th 07 08:28

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The best of the B5 movies. It was interesting to see how the Earth, Mimbari war came about and its sudden end. Yes, it seems to drag at points but the key to the movie was Londo. To see his fate and not just a glimpse here or there. When he touched the ladys hand and said, all he wanted was just five minutes on a beach somewhere with her. You could see the sadness in his face and the acceptance of his fate all in just that one moment. ITB and SIL are the two that I can never grow tired of watching.

dennis

Babylon5fan07 April 12th 07 05:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jan (Post 291825)
My favorite of all of the movies.

Jan

Quote:

Originally Posted by hypatia (Post 291826)
Same here, my favorite by far. It's hard to imagine the B5 universe without it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RW7427 (Post 291868)
ItB was also my favorite of the movies. Excellent stuff! :cool:

Oviously there are others that I could quote from but for now I have to agree that In The Beginning is by far the best of all 5 movies. I'm sure most of you all know this but initially JMS would have rather the fans watched ITB before The Gathering. :)

I know there are people out there that would be upset that there are some spoilers but my ex-girlfriend would have never watched all 5 seasons of B5 if it hadn't been for the watching ITB first. Yes, there are a couple spoilers but like a puzzle the spoilers are so minute that for me as a fan I want to find out what happens that leads to the answers to the questions JMS always asks in each episode. Then of course by the master list watch The Gathering, Midnight on the Firing Line and Soul Hunter..so on.

vacantlook April 12th 07 08:23

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In watching through for the first time, I like the idea that come in to season two, one shouldn't feel too secure regarding Sheridan. Garibaldi's line, "I don't know you," is an excellent demonstration through a character what I think an audience member should be feeling at that point in the story. To watch "In The Beginning" before the series takes away that feeling of having had a foundation of Sinclair established and then to have it ripped out; one can't feel uncertain alongside the characters regarding Sheridan's place in the story.

Babylon5fan07 April 12th 07 08:42

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Originally Posted by vacantlook (Post 294318)
In watching through for the first time, I like the idea that come in to season two, one shouldn't feel too secure regarding Sheridan. Garibaldi's line, "I don't know you," is an excellent demonstration through a character what I think an audience member should be feeling at that point in the story. To watch "In The Beginning" before the series takes away that feeling of having had a foundation of Sinclair established and then to have it ripped out; one can't feel uncertain alongside the characters regarding Sheridan's place in the story.

I don't agree..oviously we all have a different take on the whole show but JMS did create the show to have some lineage of some sorts. Of course not withstanding renewing the show every season..I love watching Sinclair grow as a character and then of course with the assassination of President Santiago and then having him going to Minbar getting the Rangers secretly get ready for the shadow war and of course in reincarnation as Valen in the 2 part War Without End episodes.

I think Sinclair had his time on the show that was very important but again with Zathras quoting "Sinclair is The One who was, Delenn is The One who is, and Sheridan is The One who will be" it was time for Sheridan to take over the reigns of the station and let his path in life take shape.

Again I'm not here to change your opinion but that's just my take.

vacantlook April 12th 07 09:29

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Originally Posted by Babylon5fan07
I think Sinclair had his time on the show that was very important but again with Zathras quoting "Sinclair is The One who was, Delenn is The One who is, and Sheridan is The One who will be" it was time for Sheridan to take over the reigns of the station and let his path in life take shape.

Again I'm not here to change your opinion but that's just my take.

I'm not sure you understand my opinion. I'm not saying that Sinclair should have stayed around; I'm not saying that Sheridan should never have come into the picture. I'm saying watching "In The Beginning" before the series itself deprives one of experiencing the apprehension of Sheridan's taking over because one then already knows Sheridan from having watched ITB. Like Garibaldi in the story, one shouldn't feel all that comfortable with Sheridan at first. One's trust in him has to be built through exposure as one watches him more and more, but to already know him from having watched ITB prevents one from having that experience.

Babylon5fan07 April 12th 07 09:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vacantlook (Post 294325)
I'm not sure you understand my opinion. I'm not saying that Sinclair should have stayed around; I'm not saying that Sheridan should never have come into the picture. I'm saying watching "In The Beginning" before the series itself deprives one of experiencing the apprehension of Sheridan's taking over because one then already knows Sheridan from having watched ITB. Like Garibaldi in the story, one shouldn't feel all that comfortable with Sheridan at first. One's trust in him has to be built through exposure as one watches him more and more, but to already know him from having watched ITB prevents one from having that experience.

No don't worry I understand what your saying but as I've stated in a couple other threads on this board. The very first B5 I showed my ex-girlfriend was The Gathering then of course season 1. My ex got very very confused and thought the show was very confusing. But then when I went to midwinter.com/lurk website which has a somewhat master list of all the episodes and movies in order in which the show should be watched I began marathoning all the B5 episodes on my own and then watching them again with my ex she absolutely loved it. The horrific experience of watching Santiago assassinated really moved my ex a lot. Watching the slow build up of Londo and his slow demise collaborating with Morden and the shadows really made a difference.

Please don't think I don't understand what your saying it's just that my ex ended up asking me to watch the episodes more than I asked her as the series went on. For me its more of a build up one episode at a time kind of thing.

I absolutely love the fact that JMS ended up using a jigsaw puzzle scenario type of writing where you had to fit the episodes together to make a complete picture. I guess this kind of a show is one of those where different people have different takes on how to watch the show. I guess it just depends on what kind of tastes you like. There are even people that won't even give this show a chance because it's either too slow or that it was kind of controversial being toe to toe with Star Trek: Deep Space Nine

Alex

torkste April 18th 07 07:54

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I votet F for Failure.

To me this was downright stupid, and the worst part of B5, ever.

The future parts with Londo, the two kids and the woman, who we learned in the Centauri trilogy is named Senna, was very nicely done.

The parts were the main "heroes" that had absolutely not met each other before, suddenly, in order to make a new pilot, was revealed to have met before. And not just in passing, no, no, Sheridan meeting the Delenn onboard a Minbari ship and saving the day and so on.
None of this was believable at all.
The worst was the G'Kar bit. Before In The Beginning was made, we had this character going from bad to not so bad and then to a sort of nice guy and savior.
Now suddenly, he was not so bad before he was bad !

Babylon5fan07 April 18th 07 08:56

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Originally Posted by torkste (Post 294933)
I votet F for Failure.

To me this was downright stupid, and the worst part of B5, ever.

The future parts with Londo, the two kids and the woman, who we learned in the Centauri trilogy is named Senna, was very nicely done.

The parts were the main "heroes" that had absolutely not met each other before, suddenly, in order to make a new pilot, was revealed to have met before. And not just in passing, no, no, Sheridan meeting the Delenn onboard a Minbari ship and saving the day and so on.
None of this was believable at all.
The worst was the G'Kar bit. Before In The Beginning was made, we had this character going from bad to not so bad and then to a sort of nice guy and savior.
Now suddenly, he was not so bad before he was bad !

Holy Toledo? Are you serious? I think JMS would be shocked to hear you say that..Not that you can't have an opinion of course but wow..JMS wanted to initially show this movie before The Gathering if you go to midwinter.com/lurker and it explains all the small references of the Earth/Minbari War throughout the 5 year saga including during the 4th season Deleen has to take a test which shows the footage of what happened to Dukhat. It even has a small snippet of what happened to Sheridan/Delenn and if you watch it before the seasons it has a foreshadow of Londo being old on the throne which leads to War Without End and of course the Centauri Trilogy explains all that to a T.

Is this movie as good as Sleeping in Light being the last episode no but it's still the best movie of all the movies.

Wow an A+ movie for me

Alex

Jade Jaguar April 18th 07 09:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by torkste (Post 294933)
The worst was the G'Kar bit. Before In The Beginning was made, we had this character going from bad to not so bad and then to a sort of nice guy and savior.
Now suddenly, he was not so bad before he was bad !

I couldn't disagree more. IMO, G'Kar was never bad. He was defensive, abrasive, and indignant. Those qualities may not be endearing to many, but they are quite understandable, and to be expected, from someone whose people had been as brutally oppressed as the Narns were by the Centauri. He had very good reasons for his positions.

Of course, he did move toward a more transcendent view of things, becoming what I would call enlightened. But, I don't think one is a bad person, just because they haven't been "enlightened."

Babylon5fan07 April 18th 07 09:16

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Yes Jade Jaguar I agree..if you watch all 5 seasons of Babylon 5 you notice that Londo and G'Kar have flipped sides when it comes to their personalities. Londo was a fun (funny) kind of a easy man to get along with while G'Kar was being very stern, agressive but still at points funny too but of course as we saw in Midnight on the Firing Line he totally flips out on Londo because of the Ragesh 3 incident but later on as Londo gets asked What Do You Want? from Morden from that point on both end up switching sides..Londo is afraid and continues to make mistakes and isn't even easy to get along with at all while G'Kar becomes very dignified as much as Andreas was himself as an actor plus very easy to get along with.

Alex

Elipsis February 20th 08 16:21

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A-.

There were some epic B5 historical moments which were only hinted at played out in full in this movie. The Ivanova earring thing was very clever, and it's nice to see our Vorlons together without killing each other. There is a good bit of irony here (Sheridan talking about going up against his own government and how terrible it would be)... but I can't fully get past the large number of coincidences:

Everybody knew everybody else 10 years prior... or at least were in the same area without meeting. (Londo and G'kar / Sheridan and Delenn). It didn't hurt the overall story, but it was a large pill to swallow.

It also could've used another 30 minutes and some original Sinclair footage, nonetheless the overall story is so epic and dramatically presented that all of these minor complaints only take it from an A+ to an A- in my book.

Galahad February 20th 08 19:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by torkste (Post 294933)
The worst was the G'Kar bit. Before In The Beginning was made, we had this character going from bad to not so bad and then to a sort of nice guy and saviour.
Now suddenly, he was not so bad before he was bad !

The difference between G'Kar ItB and G'kar S1, is that he isn't playing to a crowd. He'splaying the part of a negotiator... trying to strengthen relations with Earth in order to weaken the human's stronger ties to the Centauri. Whether he is good or bad is irrelevent, he is on his best behaviour because he needs to paint the Narns as good and chip away at the accepted perception of the Centauri subtly.

By the time we are in season 1, G'Kar has a very public stage and uses it to good effect, especially in the B5 Council chambers... and don't forget he is face to face with the representative of the race that antagonized the Narns in the distant past. Passions are bound to run high.

Clark Kent February 23rd 08 20:31

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While I did enjoy ItB, I've never thought that it should be viewed before "The Gathering." For me, the movie is best viewed after the fourth-season episode "Atonement."

Of the movies, I think it's the most ambitious and epic; although, some of the meetings I do find a bit of stretch. Then again, it is a melodramatic and life does indeed contain coincidences.

Jade Jaguar February 23rd 08 21:09

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Originally Posted by Galahad (Post 315777)
and don't forget he is face to face with the representative of the race that antagonized the Narns in the distant past. Passions are bound to run high.

Not so distant. G'Kar was a child when the Centauri occupied his planet and brutalized his people.

Galahad February 23rd 08 22:09

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Originally Posted by Jade Jaguar (Post 315859)
Not so distant. G'Kar was a child when the Centauri occupied his planet and brutalized his people.

I thought the occupation went back long before G'Kar's time and that it was merely his generation that threw out the Centauri.


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