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vacantlook November 29th 06 03:39

EpDis: Phoenix Rising
 
Refresher Links:
Lurker's Guide Main Page for Phoenix Rising
Lurker's Guide Extended Synopsis for Phoenix Rising

vacantlook November 30th 06 22:33

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I'm surprised no one's posted going "Yay! Byron's dead!!"

crazyhorse November 30th 06 22:46

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Sorry,forgot he died in this one and was busy.

Need a dancing smilie now :lol:

Sindatur November 30th 06 22:46

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I'm surprised no one's posted going "Yay! Byron's dead!!"

One would have to think that's what the 2 votes for excellent are representing ;)

crazyhorse December 1st 06 02:27

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I'm surprised no one's posted going "Yay! Byron's dead!!"

One would have to think that's what the 2 votes for excellent are representing ;)

:lol:

I forgot to vote,make that three ;)

vacantlook December 1st 06 02:36

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I actually voted A because while I can get tired of the leadup to the final confrontation with Byron, I do like the confrontation. I also like the stuff between Garibaldi and Bester.

Jade Jaguar December 6th 06 07:10

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I would have given it an "A," but I like Byron, and didn't like how his death was handled. :p :p :p

Springer December 6th 06 08:12

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Of all the episodes to feature Byron and his 'cult', I think this is the best one. The Garibaldi/Bester 'Asimov' scene is good, as are the scenes with Garibaldi held hostage in medlab. Was glad Byron died, this episode really showed how pathetic he was. And at least it did something for Lyta's character. Ah, well, from this point on its back to the good stuff.

Chilli December 6th 06 10:16

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I'm surprised no one's posted going "Yay! Byron's dead!!"

Yay! Byron's dead!!

;)

Joseph DeMartino December 6th 06 14:15

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I would have given it an "A," but I like Byron, and didn't like how his death was handled. :p :p :p

What? Exploding and burning wasn't enough for you? :) You wanted him hanged, drawn and quartered? :D

Regards,

Joe

KoshN December 6th 06 18:10

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I would have given it an "A," but I like Byron, and didn't like how his death was handled. :p :p :p

What? Exploding and burning wasn't enough for you? :) You wanted him hanged, drawn and quartered? :D

Regards,

Joe

Disintegrated, like Jason Ironheart did to Ms. Kelsey. :devil: :devil: :devil:

Galahad December 6th 06 18:14

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No give him to a feeder!

KoshN December 6th 06 18:33

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No give him to a feeder!

No, then there would be a body left for Lyta to pine over.

Disintegrate him, ...down to the <u>subatomic level!</u> :devil: :devil: :devil:

Bwahahahahahaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KoshFan December 6th 06 20:10

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Erase him from history: everyone forgets he ever existed.

Joseph DeMartino December 6th 06 20:28

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Forgets who existed? :angel:

KoshN December 6th 06 20:39

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Forgets who existed? :angel:

It's working for Joe. :lol: ...unfortunately, it's not working for me. :(

MMarin December 6th 06 20:52

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Byron was a whining little hippie bitch. :rolleyes:

crazyhorse December 6th 06 20:57

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Byron was a whining little hippie bitch. :rolleyes:

Kill all hippies :devil:

MMarin December 6th 06 21:03

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Byron was a fly in the ointment. The monkey in the wrench. The pain in the ass. Should I stop now?

Joseph DeMartino December 6th 06 21:11

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Should I stop now?

Yippie-ki-ay mother...

:)

<Cartman> What kinda stupid tree-huggin' hippy crapy is this? </Cartman>

crazyhorse December 6th 06 21:14

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The only good hippy is a dead hippy :devil:

KoshFan December 6th 06 21:18

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You all need to peace out, dudes. Your vibes ain't groovy at all.

PillowRock December 6th 06 21:44

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Always with the negative waves, Moriarty.

GKarsEye December 6th 06 21:57

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I wonder how many cigarettes Byron would go for in prison.

crazyhorse December 6th 06 22:04

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Another group glad to see the back of him ;)

Ranger1 December 7th 06 00:48

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I wonder how many cigarettes Byron would go for in prison.

i don't know he has that whole pretty boy thing going, but just for who he is you would need to offer the buyer cigarettes to take him away, like having an old car towed away.

Shaal Mayan December 7th 06 10:57

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c Average from what I can remember

Jade Jaguar December 10th 06 05:13

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The only good hippy is a dead hippy :devil:

I'm sorry to hear you feel that way. I thought only a few old psycho-wacko right wingers still felt that way about us. :( :(

Chilli December 10th 06 12:03

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I would *never* have called Byron a hippie. Hippies were all about love. Byron was all about hate. Aside from his haircut, Byron was a complete anti-hippie.

RW7427 December 10th 06 14:24

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But weren't hippies all about peace? Remember how Byron was trying to seek out a peaceful solution for his people. ;)

Jade Jaguar December 11th 06 03:05

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But weren't hippies all about peace? Remember how Byron was trying to seek out a peaceful solution for his people. ;)

True. And hippies were about non-violence, which Byron also preached. He was NOT "full of hate." He was rightfully full of fear, suspicion, and distrust, of those who exerted totalitarian control over the teeps, i.e. Psycorps, and those who used them for their own ends, like the Vorlons, and the normals. I certainly couldn't blame him if he did hate them, as he had more than ample reason, but he didn't.

RW7427 December 24th 06 14:05

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Did I say that I gave it a B? ;)

vacantlook December 24th 06 15:20

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It looks like though past polls retain the votes of the past, they don't retain the association of who made those votes, enabling people to vote in a poll that they've already voted in before the switchover.

Estelyn February 4th 11 22:03

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OK, I admit, I don't mind seeing the end of the telepath arc, but I was impressed with the quality of this episode. Bester hit the nail on the head when he said that the central problem with telepaths was how to control them. He fails, Byron fails, and Earth Gov and the Alliance fail too.

Bester usually operates with cool logic, but he sure messes things up here. There would have been a lot less dead if he hadn't stepped in in an untimely manner several times. What is it with Byron that makes it a personal issue for him? "Don't talk to strangers" is the kind of warning a father gives to his child.

It occurs to me that this episode has a second leader couple: Lyta and Byron, Sheridan and Delenn being the primary one. At the end, she appears to be the "widow" character, taking over the business after his death.

The teeps have their lowest moment here - having become terrorists and taking hostages - as well as their finest - Byron's resolve to sacrifice himself to save the lives of the hostages, even though they are mundanes.

Bester lives out what he says, "I don't believe in dialogue, only action." He also has a great scene where he explains the "Asimov" block to Garibaldi.

Byron isn't willing to take full responsibility for his actions and says to the mundanes: "We are what you made us." That is never true - each individual decides whether or not he allows others to influence his mindset.

The ending is suitably dramatic!

JoeD80 February 4th 11 22:12

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Originally Posted by Estelyn (Post 367619)
What is it with Byron that makes it a personal issue for him?

I think the scene was around this episode where we learn that Byron and Bester used to be partners in Psi Corps.

Lennier's Tears May 3rd 15 16:48

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Do you think that Thomas borrowed Byron's clothes, or is that just the style everyone likes in that group? If so, where are they getting their clothes? It looks like nice, expensive stuff, different enough from what is in style that it'd be pretty hard to get. Not something you'd expect someone on a Down Below budget to be wearing. (Yes, that's the most important question I have about this episode :p )

This is indeed a good episode .. not because it gets rid of Byron ... I don't rejoice in his death, although I am pleased to see that telepath arc come to an end. Well, sort of an end (Remember Byron!). I think the conflict between human telepaths and human mundanes is really interesting, but this particular story arc just didn't work for me. Probably because I can't stand Byron and his cult. I shouldn't have to like every chararcter to like a story arc, but there it is.

It's interesting to get more background on Bester and Byron... It's also interesting that this back story is news to Lyta. He must have hidden this information from her, which doesn't really fit with his "we share everything here" philosophy. Then again, you can see why he'd want to hide that. Most interesting, I think, is that what Byron took away from that experience is a desire to never use violence (and get away from Psi Corps, obviously), but I think that a more useful basis of his movement would have been to get away from the "they are just mundanes" distinction between telepaths and normals. He seems to run his group with that same idea still intact. I don't know if that, necessarily, is why he failed, but it can't have helped.

Babylon 5 security doesn't come off well in this storyline at all. I forgot to mention it in my comments on the previous episode, but it seems like it was VERY easy for the telepaths to take out all security guards in their path. Sure, they have the advantage of telepathy, and can easily get security codes out of the minds of guards, but aside from that, what we see on screen is the telepaths taking out the guards using physical violence. These are (as far as we know) a bunch of untrained civilians! That said, I do like the hostage scenes. And they brought back Peter!

It seems like those "violent" telepaths are remarkably unanimous in their desire to give up and die at the end there, but I guess THAT is how much they don't want to go back to Psi Corps, which makes sense.

The Bester/Garibaldi stuff is pretty intense. Garibaldi relapsing is always sort of hard to watch :-/


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