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vacantlook August 28th 06 16:32

EpDis: The Deconstruction Of Falling Stars
 
Refresher Links:
Lurker's Guide Main Page for The Deconstruction Of Falling Stars
Lurker's Guide Extended Synopsis for The Deconstruction Of Falling Stars

Jan August 28th 06 18:17

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I love the off-format episodes and this one was *so* off-format! My favorite segment was the one with the monks.

Jan

vacantlook August 28th 06 19:20

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Yeah, I like the monk segment a lot too, especially the ending revelation that the one monk really is a member of the Rangers. I, of course, also really like seeing the evolved energy form human and accompanying encounter suit.

KoshFan August 28th 06 20:26

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I'm quite fond of this, especially Garibaldi's last hurrah. And of course the evolved human raises so many possibilities and interesting questions.

puzzle August 28th 06 22:52

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I was impressed by the story, but saddened by its topic... of old figures and symbols dragged out to incite animosity... and of taking two steps forward, only to take five steps back.

I don't expect that future to happen. But it was a story which touched my concerns.

crazyhorse August 29th 06 11:12

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Doesn't it mention Babylon 5's destruction in the telepath war in this episode?In the one hundred years on debate.Contradiction on Sherridan going to B5 before it's self destruct.I know somebody will put me right.

Garribaldi,cool as ever :cool:
I gave it a B.

vacantlook August 29th 06 16:23

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I can't think of anything in the episode that connects the destruction of B5 to the telepath war.

Jan August 29th 06 16:25

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B5 was destroyed many years after the Telepath War.

Jan

Sindatur August 29th 06 16:28

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The panel made mention of Sheridan's major Faux Pas letting the Telepaths create a colony on the station, in reference to the Garibaldi Kidnap scene seen in S5 and all the death and destruction, but, no mention of the station blowing up.

vacantlook August 29th 06 16:32

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Rewatching that segment just now, and there's discussion of the events of the telepath crisis that are seen in season five, and a bare mention that that crisis could be considered to have begun the path that eventually led to the telepath war. But there's no mention of the destruction of B5 in it.

crazyhorse August 29th 06 22:38

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Cheers.As I can't rewatch the episode I wasn't sure.For some reason I had an idea that when it mentioned the telepath war it also mentioned B5 being destroyed.Seemed too big a mistake to be right though.

:beer:

Galahad September 20th 06 18:50

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Hello old friends!

I'm back... couldn't find my login details and my email changed ages ago. So how is the gang?

Reason I posted in this thread is because I'm wondering if anyone can help me find a bigger version of the picture I use as my avatar.

Thanks guys... good to be back!

KoshN September 23rd 06 05:29

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Reason I posted in this thread is because I'm wondering if anyone can help me find a bigger version of the picture I use as my avatar.

Well, somebody could make a new screencap, and trim it to the correct size.

Galahad November 30th 06 11:39

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I thought that they did mention the destruction of the Babylon station at some point in the interview discussion... but it wasn't mentioned in the same context as the Teep War. Off the top of my head, wasn't it when the host was introducing the article? I may also be getting confused with the fascist dude who may have spoken about it whilst gathering the data for his holographic propaganda machine.

I rremember the phrase "destruction of Babylon station" at some point htough.

A_M_Swallow November 30th 06 11:41

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I rremember the phrase "destruction of Babylon station" at some point htough.

The tv academics mentioned the destruction.

Dayton3 December 3rd 06 17:54

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I thought is was a great episode. One of the best "off format" shows of all time.

And I loved how the news commentator dissing Sheridan early on was made to look just like James Carville (former President Clinton campaign manager and lackey).

Galahad December 3rd 06 18:45

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I just want one of those ranger ships and the funky new body/encounter suit gig!

Samsomael December 4th 06 03:38

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I did like the peek into what some of the future holds that came with this episode. Also the chance to see Garibaldi do what he does best one last time.

One thing that I never understood. The Great Burn, how could a space faring race like the humans get thumped by something so much that it put them back into the middle ages? Had Earth sealed itself of from the rest of the galaxy and were the Rangers the only Humans off-world? Not a complaint just really curious.

vacantlook December 4th 06 03:51

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My understanding is that the other humans that were offworld were the ones that those on Earth were going to blow up, so I guess they just decided to let Earth wallow in its scorched crusty hull of a planet after they blew them up first and then went on about their spacefaring lives.

Samsomael December 4th 06 03:57

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Thanks vacantlook. I was never sure if the Alwyn segment followed historically from the Daniel/Garibaldi segment. For some reason always felt it was a second war of some sort that was the Great Burn.

vacantlook December 4th 06 04:11

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The Great Burn began with the Daniel/Garibaldi segment, but I don't think it was the totality of it. I should rewatch the episode.

KoshN December 4th 06 04:14

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I like this episode a lot, for several reasons:

1. Delenn putting those academics in their place, especially the woman (who would make a great Herazade <spit>, BTW, because she's got the personality down pat.)

2. Garibaldi tricking Daniel. and "Rest easy, friends."

3. The exodus of the Vorlon/Ranger to new Earth (the Vorlon homeworld).

Joseph DeMartino December 4th 06 04:52

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My understanding is that the other humans that were offworld were the ones that those on Earth were going to blow up

I thnk the episode makes it clear that there were two factions on Earth that were fighting, and the bone of contnetion was precisely how much contact/influence "outsiders" should have. The ensuing war was purely intramural.

The result was a radioactive Earth with a primative civilization hostile to science and technology and particularly resentful of off-world Humans and aliens to the extent that they remember such things. How many volunteers to visit that hell hole do you think you're going to get from among the peaceful and prosperous denizens of, say, Mars, or Proxima. Of course everybody would say, "too bad", but a) the folks on Earth had brought it on themselves, and b) until they dug themselves sufficiently out of the rubble and the radiation levels dropped, there wouldn't be a hell ofa lot anybody could do. I'd say the Rangers covert aid is about as much as can be done about as early as it is feasible to try.

Look, it isn't like we haven't had enough analogous situations right here on Earth. Countries have fallen into chaos and civil war many times without the rest of the world intervening, or even knowing very much about it. Stop the average man on the street in York or Strasbourg or Baltimore and ask him if he knows what the word "Darfur" means.

Regards,

Joe

vacantlook December 4th 06 05:06

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I thnk the episode makes it clear that there were two factions on Earth that were fighting, and the bone of contnetion was precisely how much contact/influence "outsiders" should have. The ensuing war was purely intramural.

The result was a radioactive Earth....

I knew I wasn't remembering it right, but just couldn't really think of a good enough reason for other human colonies to disregard Earth afterward. Vast radioactivity of the planet works, though.

Joseph DeMartino December 4th 06 14:33

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Vast radioactivity of the planet works, though.

It does tend to discourage casual visitors. :) I have a radiation hazmat warning on my door for that very reason. Haven't seen a magazine salesman, religious prostelyzer or cookie-bearing Girl Scout in years. Cuts way down on the trick-or-treaters, too. Saves me a fortune. ;)

Joe

Shaal Mayan December 5th 06 17:12

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c average

Elipsis February 11th 08 01:08

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Looks like I gave this a B and never explained why.

Anyway, It really didn't even give the sense of closure that the previous episode gave.

I liked the premise of the episode but felt vague dissatisfied with the presentation. The first news segment felt well done, capturing the same air of unprofessionalism that we've come to expect from the talking head shows, but the 100 year broadcast seemed like a dry rehashing of the same attitudes and went on for far too long.

The 500 year "Great Burn" sequence was kind of cool and probably my favorite of the bunch... it was cool seeing what they did with all the technology 500 years after B5.

The last sequence with the monks seemed kind of confusing. Having read the lurker's guide I know JMS's responses to the criticisms... but it still didn't do much for me and left a lot of unanswered questions... primarily
"Why the hell is it taking so long, and what are the other worlds / races doing about all of this?"


Loved the touch at the end with the Human-encounter-suit and the organic ships.

Galahad February 11th 08 08:48

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I really hated this episode... which is why I took my avatar from it;)

I enjoyed it a lot... especially the climax (which is viewable on YouTube), but no surprises there.

I do wonder if the colonial humans advanced in terms of evolution, ahead of those on Earth... if the Great Burn slowed down the change that was coming; that would be interesting to discover.

Also, are we ever told that the weapons used in the "Great Burn" are nuclear? I can't remember. The GOD platforms were more than capable of scorching Earth with particle beams.

maneth February 14th 08 04:24

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Indeed. It would be interesting to know, because particle beams would probably not make the world dangerous to visit for short periods. That said, the brothers didn't seem to wear any hazmat protection.

FlyingCircus September 4th 10 00:20

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I haven't seen the episode in quite a while, but didn't Daniel also say that his party was concerned about the purity of the human race? Does that mean interspecies-coupling was spreading?

One more thing: Why is the poll titled "The Face of the Enemy"?

hypatia September 4th 10 00:33

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I think there was a technical glitch a long time ago.

vacantlook September 4th 10 18:24

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Originally Posted by hypatia (Post 364784)
I think there was a technical glitch a long time ago.

Yup. The board used to be run using different software. It was during that time that most of these episode discusion threads were made. Then the board software was changed and something happened during the conversion of all the old threads into the new software that caused the titles of the polls to get messed up. I don't know if it also impacted any of the previous votes cast for the poll of any given episode or not.

JoeD80 September 8th 10 17:00

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Originally Posted by FlyingCircus (Post 364783)
Does that mean interspecies-coupling was spreading?

Don't think that's what he meant. The species of Babylon 5 can't create hybrid children without genetic manipulation, which is why Delenn had to go through the Chrysalis to conceive a child with a human.

Boredom January 26th 11 05:22

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Originally Posted by FlyingCircus (Post 364783)
I haven't seen the episode in quite a while, but didn't Daniel also say that his party was concerned about the purity of the human race? Does that mean interspecies-coupling was spreading?

At which, Sheridan retorted that it's just PR. The real reason was the Alliance restriction of outright unprovoked wars, especially that of expansion.

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Originally Posted by maneth (Post 315566)
Indeed. It would be interesting to know, because particle beams would probably not make the world dangerous to visit for short periods. That said, the brothers didn't seem to wear any hazmat protection.

I don't know whether the war at 500 was the Great Burn, but if it was, then the reason for other races (and human colonies) abandonment of Earth was in line with what the monks discussed, their xenophobic attitude.

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Originally Posted by JoeD80 (Post 364867)
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Originally Posted by FlyingCircus (Post 364783)
Does that mean interspecies-coupling was spreading?

Don't think that's what he meant. The species of Babylon 5 can't create hybrid children without genetic manipulation, which is why Delenn had to go through the Chrysalis to conceive a child with a human.

And they had different sets of genitals too (not that THAT can't be overcome, knowing that people will fuck their hands, doorknob, bicycle, cat, and whatnot). Londo was shown to have his "penis" slammed during a card game. And a species (Drazi?) in Call to Arms had his genitals somewhere around his elbow.


Oh, and one thing that nagged me a bit was the nova. Why the sun would went nova within 1 million years? The way the story goes, it's a natural occurrence. But the sun, barring injury and illness, may live for another 5 billion years.

vacantlook January 27th 11 01:08

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Originally Posted by Boredom (Post 367474)
Oh, and one thing that nagged me a bit was the nova. Why the sun would went nova within 1 million years? The way the story goes, it's a natural occurrence. But the sun, barring injury and illness, may live for another 5 billion years.

Sol going nova in the episode is not natural, or at least not normal. The future-human's computer specifically notes that there are "atypical solar emissions". Something very unusual was going on with the sun, whether that be some unusual natural phenomenon or if it was the result of someone purposefully doing something to the sun.

JoeD80 January 27th 11 17:52

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As jms said, "And what if you, say, interfered substantially with the mass of the sun by, say, causing a series of jump points to open up *inside* the sun across several days?"

Galahad January 30th 11 11:10

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Originally Posted by JoeD80 (Post 367500)
As jms said, "And what if you, say, interfered substantially with the mass of the sun by, say, causing a series of jump points to open up *inside* the sun across several days?"

I agree with that analysis of course... but it always made me wonder why in any of the wars, the younger races didn't use that as a means of taking out their enemies.

Sure it would be outlawed because destroying an entire star system is by definition a weapon of mass destruction... but surely somebody out there would be xenophobic enough to consider it. While jump coordinates need to be accurate enough for actual transition when a ship is entering a planetary body's atmosphere (Endgame), the mass of a star is pretty big and provided someone had a large enough fleet mobilised, they could probably do some serious damage to their enemy's star.

It's very possible of course that someone did exactly that to the Dilgar.

Lennier's Tears March 2nd 15 03:39

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Meh. I'm going to be dissenter here and say I'm not crazy about this episode. There are bits in it that I love, but I am mostly unimpressed.

I like the non-corporeal, Vorlon-like future human collecting some Earth history. I love the encounter suit, seen in Galahad's avatar :) It makes me happy.

I like Delenn showing up to that news broadcast just to say that Sheridan was a good man. In general, I like the idea and setup of that segment, but I don't love the execution. Also, I'd kind of hope that that TV format isn't in use anymore by the 24th century. How unbelievably boring.

The Great Burn is kind of a cool idea, but I'm not on board with the long slow recovery. Even with Rangers helping out, it's taken 500 years for humankind to even come close to re-inventing the gasoline engine? While the rest of the galaxy just goes about their business? Mehh.

It's possible I'm just bitter that the fourth season is over :p

JonFrain March 2nd 15 23:05

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Not a fan.

Mororless March 8th 15 11:07

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Originally Posted by Lennier's Tears (Post 451241)
The Great Burn is kind of a cool idea, but I'm not on board with the long slow recovery. Even with Rangers helping out, it's taken 500 years for humankind to even come close to re-inventing the gasoline engine? While the rest of the galaxy just goes about their business? Mehh.

The impression I got wasn't just that Earth was "sent back to the stone age" by a nuclear war but that the war itself created a reaction against technology and outside influence that's taken along time to fall away.

You could argue as well that we don't know that nobody did anything to help, maybe they did and maybe the non xenophobic population that survived moved off world with those who remained being from Daniels side thus unwilling to accept help or leave.


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