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Alluveal March 3rd 06 20:07

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Naw, the Vorlons aren't evil just as the Shadows really aren't evil. They represent an ideology: order VS chaos. I don't even think Ulkesh was necessarily evil, just fanatic and narrow.

I love Claudia's work. I can't find any weak moments, but I see her as this strict Russian who never lets emotion out. It's not entirely easy for her to BE emotional (Ivanova.) One of my favorite expressions from her is when they're sending Kosh's ship away and it goes into the sun. The look on her face, the tears in her eyes. Her looks say more than any words could.

And the scene when she is crying in Franklin's arms is one of the most harrowing and heart-breaking scenes I've ever seen on television.

Sindatur March 3rd 06 20:38

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Where she tended to come up short (at least in comparison to the likes of AK, PJ, and MF) was when she needed to summon emotion entirely internally (such as entering the scene cold to tell Sheridan about EF's destruction of unarmed refugee ships).

Is it really fair to compare anyone's acting skills to Mira, Andreas or Peter? They're in a class all their own, IMHO.

GKarsEye March 3rd 06 21:06

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Naw, the Vorlons aren't evil just as the Shadows really aren't evil. They represent an ideology: order VS chaos. I don't even think Ulkesh was necessarily evil, just fanatic and narrow.

Well I guess it depends on what we mean by "evil." I personally don't like the word because it seems to imply that it's some sort of force that gets a hold of people or something.

So to me, "evil," is the same "really bad things," defined by some sort of morality and ethics that we as humans decide is right and therefore judged by action, not justification, for everyone has some sort of "justification." Serial killers were abused, Saddam Hussein was "pacifying" his population, Hitler and Milosovich were preserving their race, the janjaweed right now are protecting their own, etc. All "justified"- all evil.

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but I see her as this strict Russian who never lets emotion out.

Yeah, that's the idea, but she sure does let it out a lot.

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Is it really fair to compare anyone's acting skills to Mira, Andreas or Peter? They're in a class all their own, IMHO.

They're all actors.

Alluveal March 4th 06 00:37

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You also have to take into consideration the character and the way their parts are written.

KoshFan March 4th 06 21:40

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[continues to hijack the thread]

Kosh certainly had his share of horrors on his hands. But he also restrained the other Vorlons from doing even worse things, and eventually (through his relationship with Sheridan) was redeemed.

Alluveal March 4th 06 23:50

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I always wondered who Kosh was in the hierarchy of things. He had to be pretty important to the Vorlons.

aajay March 6th 06 16:24

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For some reason I always hear the song Xanadu in my head when I hear/see Z'ha'dum.

RW7427 March 7th 06 01:58

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:lol:

I don't think it compares to Xanadu though. ;)

KoshN March 7th 06 02:08

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....picturing Olivia Newton-John as The Eye.

GKarsEye March 7th 06 03:17

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RUSH
Xanadu

"To seek the sacred river Alph
To walk the caves of ice
To break my fast on honeydew
And drink the milk of Paradise..."

I had heard the whispered tales of immortality
The deepest mystery
From an ancient book I took a clue
I scaled the frozen mountain tops of eastern lands unknown
Time and Man alone
Searching for the lost Xanadu

Xanadu...

To stand within the Pleasure Dome
Decreed by Kubla Khan
To taste anew the fruits of life
The last immortal man
To find the sacred river Alph
To walk the caves of ice
Oh, I will dine on honeydew
And drink the milk of Paradise

A thousand years have come and gone but time has passed me by
Stars stopped in the sky
Frozen in an everlasting view
Waiting for the world to end, weary of the night
Praying for the light
Prison of the lost
Xanadu

Xanadu...

Held within the Pleasure Dome
Decreed by Kubla Khan
To taste my bitter triumph
As a mad immortal man
Nevermore shall I return
Escape these caves of ice
For I have dined on honeydew
And drunk the milk of Paradise


--this song preceded by a 3 minute musical intro...

(trust me folks, Rush got way better shortly after this album)


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