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vacantlook January 8th 06 20:49

EpDis: Interludes And Examinations
 
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KoshFan January 8th 06 21:43

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I love a good Kosh episode -- and this is Kosh at his best.

Joseph DeMartino January 8th 06 22:05

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Simply one of the very best. I remember what a shocker this was during the series' intiial run, and the mixed reaction to it. Beautifully played by all concerned, and some of JMS's very best writing.

Regards,

Joe

RW7427 January 9th 06 00:18

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A all the way! :cool:

KoshN January 9th 06 00:33

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A+. One of my favorite episodes of the entire series. Episode has a both triumph and <u>dread</u>. All of the actors carry it off very well. Great feel added by the music.

Poignant is the best word to describe it.

I also love how the events of this episode are presented and filled out in the Technomage trilogy.

Jade Jaguar January 9th 06 01:01

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A from me too. Packed with intrigue, and pregnant with possibilities...

Springer January 9th 06 09:18

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I remember a certain magazine spoiling Kosh's death for me - for some reason my eyes would always be drawn to anthing that said 'Spoilers' and make me read it, even if I didn't want to!

The best bits involve Sheridan and Kosh. Sheridan confronting Kosh was superb, as now, at last, we saw somneone testing the Vorlon. And then, when Kosh came to Sheridan in a dream, it was very moving. Of course, it wasn't quite the end for Kosh. I guess it must have been then that Kosh joined with Sheridan. Perhaps he was testing this mental link in All Alone in the Night?

Its a shame we couldn't have seen more of the fight between the Shadow and Vorlon ships.

GKarsEye January 9th 06 14:06

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This the one where Sheridan tells Kosh "up yours?" That was pretty sweet.

fisheggs January 11th 06 01:12

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Hope. Sacrifice. Kosh. " Up Yours". Vorlon ships!!

Whats not to love?

Boxie January 11th 06 01:34

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This is a really amazing episode! That hallway scene with Sheridan and Kosh is one of my favorites of all time. For me, that scene depicted exactly what John Sheridan was made of. He knew Kosh could take him out if he wanted to, and that in all likelihood he would. Despite that, our boy didn't back down; he stood up to Kosh because Kosh was wrong...and then he took the hit he knew was coming. Now that's a man! ...It makes me tingle just thinking about it! :D

RW7427 January 11th 06 04:14

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Sheridan standing up to Kosh was indeed a thing of beauty. Lennier told him he was the only one capable of defying Kosh, and he was right. If there was anyone that could influence Kosh to listen to them and do something they asked, it was Sheridan.

KoshFan January 11th 06 13:00

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He was, after all, trained to fight legends.

GKarsEye January 11th 06 14:52

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Sheridan just seriously kicks ass. Yes I know that every lead figure of every show kicks ass by definition, but IMO there are only 4 sci-fi leads and one supporting character that really convey a true ass-kicking quality:

1. Sheridan
2. Kirk
3. Sisko
4. Riker

I also think that, given a better show around her, Janeway could have done that.

RW7427 January 11th 06 15:12

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One of the reasons why I'm a Sheridan fan is that he kicks ass. ;)

KoshFan January 11th 06 23:05

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My favorite captain gets his ass kicked about as regularly as he kicks ass -- but he's still gorram cool.

Jacqui January 12th 06 12:41

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I have an all new respect for this episode after listening to the voice-over commentary on the DVD. Having Bruce, Rick, Jerry and Ed do a good and proper MST3K of the episode made me laugh so hard I nearly passed out from oxygen depravation! The "4-minute scene with the jukebox" is forever blistered into my mind as a retake of Brando's "is that all you've got" bit from "On the Waterfront." Ye Gods, but I love this show and the actors that breathed life into it!

Jacqui

Dru January 17th 06 17:38

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Is this not also the episode where (just as a side issue) Londo is manipulated in to a position where he is preapred to "Let the galaxy burn"? OR am I getting it mixed up?
FAB ep. Just saw it again the other day. Kosh did say not to blame himself (sheridan) for his death. Do you think he's carrying any guilt over that? Or is everyone (even the Vorlon) Expendable for the greater good? If sherdian was feeling a litle guilty pushing Kosk like that, then it must have been pretty weird when Kosh took up residence inside him

RW7427 January 18th 06 03:54

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Is this not also the episode where (just as a side issue) Londo is manipulated in to a position where he is preapred to "Let the galaxy burn"?

Yes, it is. ;)

Elipsis October 18th 07 14:54

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An episode of the highest quality. Severed Dreams is intense and in the large scale a tragic battle, but Interludes and Examinations hits me even harder. Sheridan right up in Kosh's face is one of the most intense scenes in the entire series, but during the dream / death sequence for Kosh I nearly cried. It was so beautifully shot.


Lets not downplay the personal tragedy for Londo or Dr. Franklin's stims thread blowing open at last either. Everything in the episode is just so powerful, but nothing more so than Kosh's death.


A tremendous sacrifice.
A touching moment.

The passing of a Legend.

Truth_Seeker March 29th 08 23:58

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If there was a mark higher than A I would give it to this episode.There are so many important things happening in it that make you watch it again and again.There are several very emotional moments.

-Kosh losing his temper
-Sheridan shouting and insulting the millons of years old Kosh
-the dark side of Dr.Franklin
-Londo crying for Adira
-Kosh's Death

This episode is a TV masterpiece!!!

Garovorkin May 22nd 08 02:14

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Of all the Alien Characters ,I loved Kosh best of all. more so after Dust from Dust when he helped JKar find Peace and started Londo toward some kind of redemption. In this one he helped Sheridan knowing what the cost was, Not telling Sheridan directly what his intervention was going to mean, As Leeta observed some episodes later Deep down Kosh genuinely cared. Through all of his Enigma you could see someone both wise and caring and compasionate in a way that the rest of his people were not. That always came through about Kosh, he was very sympathetic you pulled for him. Seeing him die like that was heart wrenching, More so when he appeared to Sheridan in the guise of his father to say good bye but he placed a part of himself in Sheridan to protect him. :(

Estelyn September 17th 10 22:11

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Early in the series, I found it difficult to relate to Kosh in any emotional way. Sheesh, even the actors referred to him as the "juke box"! But in this episode he relates to Sheridan in a very personal way, and seeing him die is a shock. (Like reading about Gandalf's death in the Lord of the Rings - the mentor is gone, you're on your own.) Sheridan's courage in facing up to Kosh comes partly from the fact that he realizes he has nothing to lose.

The theme of decisions and responsibility shows up again when Garibaldi tells Franklin "It's your decision". I like that he didn't pull up the data on the doc - some things not even he does!

As much as I hate Londo at times, I feel for him at others. Seeing him so very happy is a touching moment, and when that happiness is destroyed, I grieve with him. However, I'm annoyed that he still doesn't see through Morden and realize that he's being used. Morden creeps me out - he's always a friendly liar at best, but he definitely looks and acts more sinister now.

I do like the way Kosh's death was handled, as indirect reflections and no specifics. Any direct pictures would have been a let-down, I think. I also like the fact that he appears to Sheridan in the guise of his father - as he appeared to G'Kar as his father. The significance of his words about always being with Sheridan is a bit of information that will pay off later.

hypatia September 19th 10 01:42

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Originally Posted by Estelyn (Post 365061)
Early in the series, I found it difficult to relate to Kosh in any emotional way. Sheeshs, even the actors referred to him as the "juke box"! But in this episode he relates to Sheridan in a very personal way, and seeing him die is a shock. (Like reading about Gandalf's death in the Lord of the Rings - the mentor is gone, you're on your own.) Sheridan's courage in facing up to Kosh comes partly from the fact that he realizes he has nothing to lose.

I wonder if Kosh wasn't kept at a distance, artistically, to make this loss even more bitter. Kosh becomes a character that is sympathetic only as he is to die. Makes you wish this side of him could have come out earlier.

But then it wouldn't have impacted you as much.

Gandalf came back, however. JMS's deaths and other means of writing out characters are a bit more realistic.

Alioth April 6th 11 02:50

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This episode and "Sleeping in Light" were, I think, the only two episodes that brought a tear to my eye. The passing of Legends, indeed.

Lennier's Tears February 9th 15 04:22

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Another great episode. This one is of course dominated by Kosh's death, but there is so much other important arc stuff in here ...

Mr. Morden just sort of stumbles, by chance, on the one way to get to Londo and is able to renew their relationship. I can't help but feel bad for Londo, to see him so happy and excited, only to have it all crushed. You know Adira would have made him a better person.

Dr. Franklin and the stims .. Yea... Kind of amazing that Dr. Hobbs hasn't quit already, although I suppose that now that the station has seceded from the Earth Alliance, she might not have many options. There does seem to be a pretty high turnover in medlab. I quite liked Dr. Hernandez in the first season. Then there was that other dr. who got yelled at by Franklin when she correctly identified the dust connection between the two patients in Dust to Dust. I think she was in the episodes before/after that one, too.

Anyway, it's interesting to see the interaction between Garibaldi and Franklin here. And Franklin eventually admitting that there is indeed a problem. About time.

Somewhat unrelated, but those sliding doors in medlab always looked pretty annoying to me. I'd be forever tripping over the "bottom" door as it was sliding to the side.

Kosh's death still makes me sad. I've always been so excited about the Vorlons. Even knowing everything that comes after, I guess the Vorlon programming worked on me too because I'm still excited when I actually get to see one, and I want to feel good about them. Kosh, especially, because he seems to have "gone native" in a way, after his time on Babylon 5. He seems to really care about the people there, about Sheridan, for sure. The scene where dying Kosh appears to Sheridan looking like his father is quite moving, as is the scene of his ship flying towards the star. I feel kind of sad for the ship, too.

That scene where the Vorlons attack the Shadow fleet is still exciting to me. We've never seen this many Vorlon ships! And they're winning! The only problem with this bit is when the people in the war room follow the battle on their display, and it's kind of a super old school display. It makes me laugh a bit.

Also, about the intro bit: "Brakiri space" always looks so pretty! You know, even when it's full of attacking Shadow vessels :p

RW7427 February 11th 15 20:17

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Kosh's death still makes me sad. I've always been so excited about the Vorlons. Even knowing everything that comes after, I guess the Vorlon programming worked on me too because I'm still excited when I actually get to see one, and I want to feel good about them. Kosh, especially, because he seems to have "gone native" in a way, after his time on Babylon 5. He seems to really care about the people there, about Sheridan, for sure. The scene where dying Kosh appears to Sheridan looking like his father is quite moving, as is the scene of his ship flying towards the star. I feel kind of sad for the ship, too.
I agree! For so much of the series the Vorlons are like this mysterious race who doesn't really seem to care about the younger races, just about how they can use them to achieve what they want to happen. But in this episode, you do indeed get the sense that Kosh wasn't like the other Vorlons, that he actually did seem to care for the younger races, and for Sheridan in particular. I was sad to see Morden and the Shadows kill him, and I kinda missed him after that.


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