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GKarsEye December 27th 05 15:55

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If you think nuts in costume are inherently implausible you've obviously never seen footage of a Klan rally or attended an SF convention. And apart from that, what was silly or implausible or whatever the objection is about the episode?

I never said it was implausible, that is in the logical or scientific sense. I said it was retarded- you know, the slang way of using the word.

I just think it comes off stupid. It feels like JMS just really wanted to somehow stick in the King Arthur legend... again (apparently the horrid Grail episode wasn't enough).

It's the same thing with Jack the Ripper- the idea of a Vorlon popping into 19th century London to abduct a serial killer is pretty lame. I remember reading JMS writing about the Ripper murders- the guy obviously is into the subject, so, like the Arthur thing, he was looking for a way to involve these characters he likes and had to concoct some absurd premises to put them on a space station in the 23rd century. Star Trek did the same thing and it was also generally dumb.

I'm almost surprised Gandalf and Number 6 never appeared on the show also.

And then thinking about the logic of the episode makes me cringe. Ok, the guy has PST- for 10 years? Has he been thinking he's King Arthur the whole time? If so, he's galavanting about the galaxy picking fights with people and ranting like a lunatic and nobody stops or kills him or puts him away? Or did it just suddenly pop up recently. Can that happen?

And then he recognises Marcus' British accent, which of course sounds nothing like a British accent would have in King Arthur's time. So the guy is an obsessed Arthur fan but wouldn't know that?

Either way... people... it's King Arthur... in freakin' space! WTF?

vacantlook December 27th 05 16:07

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And then thinking about the logic of the episode makes me cringe. Ok, the guy has PST- for 10 years? Has he been thinking he's King Arthur the whole time? If so, he's galavanting about the galaxy picking fights with people and ranting like a lunatic and nobody stops or kills him or puts him away? Or did it just suddenly pop up recently. Can that happen?

And then he recognises Marcus' British accent, which of course sounds nothing like a British accent would have in King Arthur's time. So the guy is an obsessed Arthur fan but wouldn't know that?

With how crazy and screwy the human mind reacts, I'd say it's quite possible that his PTSD flared up recently causing the falling further into the disorder and the taking on of the Arthur persona. As for the accent, like the guy would know what a British accent sounded like in King Arthur's time anyway in order to be able to recognize it. His brain just adapted everything in the real word to fit his King Arthur persona, including the way he heard people speak.

KoshFan December 28th 05 05:46

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I thought Franklin hypothesized the whole delusion was triggered by the impending anniversary.

Elipsis October 15th 07 19:34

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I gave it a C. It was an ok story but pretty forgettable in the grand scheme of things. Also a little over the top.

mattikake October 15th 07 21:36

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I liked the eposide in a kinda poking-fun at sci-fi kinda way. Lighthearted. Andreas' acting when drunk in the bar was perfect. I'm sure he really was wasted for that scene! lol

Estelyn September 15th 10 21:12

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Some amusing aspects, some good acting, some nice character moments, but not much by way of story arc - this episode is OK, yet not a favourite of mine.

Michael York does very well in his role. I can't help but wonder who was represented by the dream knight who stabbed him in the back?

Marcus has the best lines: "I take great comfort in the hostility and general unfairness of the universe." Also "Better the illusions that exalt us..."

Dr Franklin is again playing God, forcing a healing for which the patient is not yet ready. The fact that it turns out well doesn't justify that decision, imo.

Interesting parallels between the Minbari war and King Arthur's battles...

Delenn as the Lady of the Lake, Kosh as Merlin, etc. - interesting parallels as well.

Oh, and contrary to my previously expressed thoughts, G'Kar does resort to violence again in this episode...

Sindatur September 16th 10 01:55

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Originally Posted by Estelyn (Post 365043)
Some amusing aspects, some good acting, some nice character moments, but not much by way of story arc - this episode is OK, yet not a favourite of mine.

Michael York does very well in his role. I can't help but wonder who was represented by the dream knight who stabbed him in the back?

Marcus has the best lines: "I take great comfort in the hostility and general unfairness of the universe." Also "Better the illusions that exalt us..."

Dr Franklin is again playing God, forcing a healing for which the patient is not yet ready. The fact that it turns out well doesn't justify that decision, imo.

Interesting parallels between the Minbari war and King Arthur's battles...

Delenn as the Lady of the Lake, Kosh as Merlin, etc. - interesting parallels as well.

Oh, and contrary to my previously expressed thoughts, G'Kar does resort to violence again in this episode...

The first time I watched this one on original broadcast, it didn't strike me much. I guess I was too focused on wanting the arc to advance (it was the only offering for a week, afterall, Heh). The second time was better, after that, I actually enjoy the episode now, because of the comparisons to the characters. same with TKO, despite the Ivanova moments, that one took several watchings, before I could appreciate it as a whole, rather than just fast forwarding to the Ivanova moments

G'Kar resorting to violence, nah, no more than the slamming book later in the series.G'Kar was protecting King Arthur as a Knight of the roundtable

Lennier's Tears February 8th 15 06:38

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This is a pretty solid standalone episode, I think. I can see how there might a moment of dread as one first starts watching this episode and thinks "Oh no, a King Arthur episode??", but as always, it's not quite that ...

The acting is great, and the music is very fitting. I like King Arthur and Sir G'Kar as a team, and drunk G'Kar is very amusing. I especially like the Minbari war background, and Delenn as the "Lady of the Lake". It makes sense that only she can "absolve" him and make him snap out of it.

Sindatur makes a good point above, about what things were like when you only got one episode a week. I had quite forgotten what it was like when we had to actually wait for episodes to come out! I never watched Babylon 5 on TV, I watched it on VHS as the episodes were released on tape. That means we got multiple episodes to watch every time a tape arrived, but we to wait something like a month between tapes (I can't quite remember). I can imagine that in the middle of the third season, when tension is high, a non-arc episode might be a bit annoying. We've been so spoiled by DVD sets and Netflix :p

EDIT: Oh, and I forgot to mention. The name of this episode is so great! (Again :p)

hypatia February 8th 15 13:50

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It was interesting to see how G'Kar absolutely thrilled at having a clear-cut "evil" to fight.

It also is one of the episodes that touches on how humanity is dealing with psychology and people who are disturbed by this time in our history.

Not much has changed. We're pretty ignorant about that, even the guy who had extensive medical training didn't handle the situation well, at all.

Lennier's Tears February 8th 15 23:44

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You make a good point about Dr. Fraklin's inability to deal with this situation. It hadn't occurred to me until you mentioned it, but why is it even Dr. Franklin who is treating this patient? Obviously he took an interest because he happened to be there when the guy drew his sword at customs, but ... isn't there someone more qualified to deal with this? If 23rd century medical school is anything like 21st century medical school, Dr. Franklin would have some basic psychiatry knowledge, but still, presumably a station that size would have someone who actually specialized in that sort of thing. Or a psychologist, perhaps. When that mad bomber was on the loose in Convictions, an explosives expert (a character we'd never seen before, and never saw again) appeared on Garibaldi's side, rather than Garibaldi trying to play explosives expert himself.

But, even lacking an actual specialist, you'd think Dr. Franklin would be better at dealing with this... He was in the Minbari war, himself. He must have treated tons of people with war traumas, PTSD, survivors guilt, ... in the 13 or so years since the war. I would hope that Earth Force has developed ways of dealing with these things .. But even if they didn't, Dr. Franklin is a pretty smart guy .. why is he not better at this?

He seemed extremely impatient with this patient. Is that just his character? His constant need to fix things? Or is it his stim problem?


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