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vacantlook November 19th 05 17:09

EpDis: Point Of No Return
 
Refresher Links:
Lurker's Guide Main Page for Point Of No Return
Lurker's Guide Extended Synopsis for Point Of No Return

hypatia November 19th 05 17:36

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I like this episode quite a bit, so I gave it a B. It's hard, as others have said, for the episodes needed to move the story ahead to really shine, sometimes, but this one worked for me. :)

And as a side note: the "let's stop this stupid B5/ST animosity" message given by a certain guest star makes this a pretty special episode for me. :cool:

GeoKuutio November 19th 05 18:38

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I actually like this one. I don't know exactly why, maybe because of dialogue or setting or the overall mood of the episode. But I gave this one A. In my opinion, it deserves it. Call me a weirdo, but I almost prefer this to Severed Dreams.

RW7427 November 19th 05 21:05

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An A episode. I love the stuff with Lady Morella visiting. The Nightwatch stuff is good too, but I think Lady Morella's visit is what makes this an A episode.

KoshFan November 20th 05 03:26

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I'm tempted to give this an F... just because Lady Morella's prophecies sparked so much controversy. Is "the man who is already dead" Refa, Morden, or Sheridan? Not even JMS knows for sure...


Seriously, very solid episode indeed. I'm not quite sure what to rate it, though, so I'll leave it at that.

hypatia November 20th 05 03:57

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I'm tempted to give this an F... just because Lady Morella's prophecies sparked so much controversy. Is "the man who is already dead" Refa, Morden, or Sheridan? Not even JMS knows for sure...
Seriously, very solid episode indeed. I'm not quite sure what to rate it, though, so I'll leave it at that.


KoshFan, are you saying you think prophecy is usually quite specific and comprehensible?

I saw that as a literary device that is used by any good author who deals with "prophesy" in any way at all.

KoshFan November 20th 05 15:50

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Well, I can't say that the prophecy was entirely clear. I don't know precisely what Londo's two blown chances were, although the events of "The Coming of Shadows" are probably in there. But G'Kar's eye is pretty clear, especially when you factor in the message of "The Very Long Night of Londo Mollari." From there on out, my interpretation rests on my assessment of Londo's character and of how a story ought to work. Many people don't agree with my interpretation.

Joseph DeMartino November 20th 05 21:30

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Not even JMS knows for sure...

Er, yes he does and he's repeatedly said as much.

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Many people don't agree with my interpretation.

JMS, for instance. :D

Regards,

Joe

GKarsEye November 21st 05 14:39

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Goddamnit, I wrote up this whole thing about the Nightwatch thing but then I lost it.

Anyway, it's great- one of my favorite B5 subplot.

A couple of other great moments in this ep:

- Talon
- Londo telling Vir how to write his report

KoshFan November 21st 05 16:29

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I don't recall JMS ever giving a definitive answer to the question of what incident goes with which prophecy. I also recall him saying about how that was the beauty of it -- like almost all sufficiently vague prophecies, you could fit a lot of possible alternatives into it.


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