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vacantlook September 20th 05 16:36

EpDis: Convictions
 
Refresher Links:
Lurker's Guide Main Page for Convictions
Lurker's Guide Extended Synopsis for Convictions

RW7427 September 20th 05 16:43

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I just gave it a B. It's kind of an entertaining episode, but that bomber kinda bugs me. :lol:

I love the part with Londo talking to an unconscious Lennier in Medlab though. :D

Shaal Mayan September 20th 05 16:51

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C entertaining enough but that's about all.

vacantlook September 20th 05 17:02

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I agree with the C. I love Londo's bits with Lennier and also with G'Kar in the transport tube, but the main story of the episode was a bit bland to me. I enjoy watching it every now and then, but it's not one I jump for like an excited puppy.

macmaccaman September 20th 05 18:50

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Rewatched this last week (I'm on to Series 5 now in my rewatches!)...
G'kar and Londo are the highlight in this - I love G'kar in this for he is quite quite mad. Sometimes think they coulda gone on slightly longer with him in this state.... but hey I can't complain.

That and Sheridan's punches save this episode from an F. I hate that bomber.

KoshFan September 20th 05 19:48

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The bomber is your classic cardboard villain. But the first time I saw this I did get a bit wrapped up in the intensity (and it was a bit nice to have a villain who didn't really have some Deep Dark Secret Agenda). But Londo and G'Kar sell this episode without question.

GKarsEye September 20th 05 20:10

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Oh this is the episode with the elevator! I tell you, G'Kar laughing at their mutual impending doom- this is exactly the kind of thing why B5 still gets to me.

"Can anyone here me?!"
"I hear you"

Brlliantly played by Katsulas, the way he just laughs at Londo's escape plan as if it surviving would be the silliest thing in the world.

And, uh, oh yeah, some other stuff happens I guess...

vacantlook September 20th 05 20:57

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Londo: "I hate my life!"

G'Kar: "So do I!"

Londo: "Shut up!"

:lol:

Enlightened_GKar September 20th 05 21:48

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Good dialogue, plenty of action, comedy, monks . . . this episode seems to be a little underrated.

I like the premise quite a bit. Especially in the wake of the Oklahoma City bombing.

Markas September 20th 05 23:02

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I gave it a B. I think that just the scenes with Londo and G'Kar together are worth that. :D

Jade Jaguar September 21st 05 01:30

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I've been stingy with my A's, but I gave this one, purely because I think the elevator scene is brilliant. G'kar, Londo, satirical, funny, and very meaningful.

Oatley1 September 21st 05 01:49

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Average, from my perspective. The Londo / G'Kar stuff is great, but as a whole it is merely good, not great. It certainly suffers from being in the same season as 'Passing Through Gethesemane', 'Dust To Dust', 'Severed Dreams' etc.

RW7427 September 21st 05 04:36

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Quote:

Oh this is the episode with the elevator! I tell you, G'Kar laughing at their mutual impending doom- this is exactly the kind of thing why B5 still gets to me.

"Can anyone here me?!"
"I hear you"

Brlliantly played by Katsulas, the way he just laughs at Londo's escape plan as if it surviving would be the silliest thing in the world.

And, uh, oh yeah, some other stuff happens I guess...

Oh yeah....I forgot about that elevator stuff with Londo and G'Kar. Great shit man! :lol:

darth_librarian September 21st 05 11:02

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B, a good non arc episode. I liked the fact the baddy was just an average nutter...

KoshFan September 21st 05 21:54

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I just rewatched the ep, because I needed a break from essay-writing. It was the cinematography that really made this one stand out: close-in shots, a lot of blurry action and darkened sets.

I had also forgotten Londo's "conversation" with the comatose Lennier in medlab: "I am going to take a break now and wait for you to talk. And if you don't, I'll talk again. And we wouldn't want that, would we?"

KoshN September 21st 05 23:42

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Had some of the best Londo and G'Kar lines ever!

...plus that poor guy between them, waiting for the elevator. :lol:

GaribaldisHair September 22nd 05 08:10

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...plus that poor guy between them, waiting for the elevator. :lol:

That was another episode. This is the one where Londo is waiting for the tube and when it opens G'Kar is already inside. After meaningful looks/stares/glares, Londo decides to carry on waiting, until the bomb goes off further down the corridor and he has to get into the tube to escape the blast.

Can't remember which ep has them arguing over the head of the other guy while waiting, but I am pretty it was before the Narn/Centauri war kicked off.

KoshFan September 22nd 05 15:15

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The one you're thinking of is nothing less than "Signs and Portents."

aajay September 23rd 05 15:30

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A solid B only because of the G'Kar- Londo elevator scene and also the placement of the listening device on Sheridan.

KoshN September 23rd 05 17:48

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The one you're thinking of is nothing less than "Signs and Portents."

Getting my great elevator scenes mixed up. :o :o :o

deaded December 1st 05 05:30

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I give it an A for the elevator scene alone.

Boxie December 1st 05 13:51

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I give it an A for the elevator scene alone.

I gave it an "A", too! Without question, the elevator scenes nailed it for me, but there are others that struck me as just wonderful.

I can still see Delenn banging on that glass door trying to get to Lennier after the explosion.

I thought the bomber was suffienctly off his rocker and the "don't move there's a gun up your nose" scene with Sheridan quite good. Although going outside to find the bomb broke the established rhythm/pace of the whole thing for me, overall I thought it was quite good.

Oh, and I did love the hallway scene where Sheridan has to hide his link and asks Garibaldi where he should put it. Did you see his little face?....Too funny! :D And then he ends up sitting on it!! :lol: :lol:

Lousy_Dodgers August 17th 06 05:24

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I rewatched this episode on DVD tonight and I would have to give it a solid B, mainly due to the G'Kar and Londo scenes. It may not be an arc episode per se but I think it is an important episode leading into Dust to Dust.

While G'Kar had already grown as a character from his quasi-villain role in the first season, he was still bound by his fixation on the Centauri. Granted, the post Dust to Dust G'Kar was far from willing to embrace the Centauri but he had started to see his role and that of his people in a new light.

The episode also had a number of humrous scenes in addition to Londo talking to Lennier. For example, it had Zack Allen telling the Drazi pilgrims "Why don't you go poke the plant for a while so that I can take care of your entry visas." Then it also had Lennier telling an obnoxious human that he had an incurable and contagious disease.

Sindatur August 17th 06 13:43

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Then it also had Lennier telling an obnoxious human that he had an incurable and contagious disease.

That was [Doug] Netter's Syndrome, wasn't it?

Londos6 August 17th 06 14:15

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That was [Doug] Netter's Syndrome, wasn't it?

Yep. And the "obnoxious man" was John Flinn, B5 Director of Photography.

Londos6 August 17th 06 14:20

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Also the outtakes from this one in the blooper reel
(don't remember which season of dvds this outtake appears on)
with Peter Jurasik were hilarious. :D

Joseph DeMartino August 17th 06 14:23

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That was [Doug] Netter's Syndrome, wasn't it?

AKA President Louis Santiago, yes. And the obnoxious man Lennier lied to was Directory of Photograph John Flinn. (Yes, he's actually listed as "Obnoxious Man" in the credits.)

Londo: I hate my life.
G'Kar: So do I.

:)

Joe

Elipsis September 2nd 07 23:10

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I was going to give this a C, but upon reflection the exchange between Longo and G'kar in the elevator was powerful in that it told us a lot about G'kar's mental state, particularly the depth of his hatred.

vacantlook September 3rd 07 14:49

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Originally Posted by Elipsis
...the exchange between Longo and G'kar in the elevator....

That is one amazingly great scene. I loved hearing jms talk about Andreas filming that scene in the memorial reel on the TLT disc.

GKarsEye September 4th 07 12:35

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Originally Posted by vacantlook (Post 307842)
That is one amazingly great scene. I loved hearing jms talk about Andreas filming that scene in the memorial reel on the TLT disc.

That the one where it was Andreas' idea to start laughing? I really liked hearing that story, because I thought that laughing was absolutely fantastic. It really played off so perfectly (I'm a big fan of the whole tragi-comedy thing), so much props to the man.

vacantlook September 5th 07 08:11

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Originally Posted by GKarsEye
That the one where it was Andreas' idea to start laughing?...

Yup.

Estelyn September 3rd 10 18:58

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I like it when episodes pick up elements of previous shows, like the Drazi pilgrims, coming to latch onto the angelic blessing on B5! Zack's handling of the situation is funny.

I must chime in with the many who have lauded the elevator scene as the best part of this episode - it is excellent! It reminded me of the Vir/G'Kar elevator scene in an earlier episode. G'Kar's laughing over the irony of the situation can really only be expressed by the German word "Schadenfreude" - mirth over the misery of another.

As to the bomber, I did like the fact that he was not politically motivated. However, there was an element that reminded me of the Shadows - he wanted to spread chaos and fear. Sadly, that echoes many incidents in today's world.

Yes, Londo's monologue at Lennier's bedside is quite amusing - one of the seesaw moments when one does like him. Having Lennier as comic relief is unusual - his fib about "Netter's syndrome" is so funny!

Lennier's Tears February 4th 15 03:20

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I just finished watching this episode. It's a decent "monster of the week" episode. I'm not too keen on the scenes with the bomber, but there is a lot of other stuff to like.

The lighting and colors in this are very interesting. In general, the third season looks darker, with more intense colors than seasons 1 and 2. I like it.

Londo and G'Kar bits are great, of course. Also Londo's scenes with Lennier.

I really like the Brother Theo character.

As for Lennier, the "Netter's syndrome" conversation is funny because it's a situation we can imagine all too well .. But I am slightly uncomfortable with Lennier lying for no good reason. Perhaps not AS out of character as certain actions that take place at the end of the 5th season, but I'll get to that when I get to that :p Still, this seems like an unlikely scenario, after how they make such a big deal out of "Minbari do not lie" and Lennier being ever obedient.

Garibaldi is very insensitive to the Drazi when they correct him on Droshalla's name. "Yea, whatever" doesn't seem like an appropriate thing for a head of security to say to a visitor in a conversation like that. Not that it's out of character, but you'd think that someone in his position would have to go through some training on how to deal with aliens. I'd be filing a complaint if I were a Drazi pilgrim and got spoken to in that way by the head of security :p

At one point, before the bomb that gets Londo stuck in the elevator with G'Kar, Dr. Franklin mentions they're up to 7 dead. We learn later that two Centauri were killed, two Narn were killed, and an unknown number of Minbari greater than 1 (while in medlab, Delenn gets word that relatives of some of the Minbari killed have arrived .. I think it said "some of"). Didn't we see several humans in the first blast? A minor nitpick, to be sure.

Hmm, I thought I wanted to say something else, but I can't think of it just now ...

Springer February 4th 15 11:46

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Originally Posted by Lennier's Tears (Post 451019)

As for Lennier, the "Netter's syndrome" conversation is funny because it's a situation we can imagine all too well .. But I am slightly uncomfortable with Lennier lying for no good reason. Perhaps not AS out of character as certain actions that take place at the end of the 5th season, but I'll get to that when I get to that :p Still, this seems like an unlikely scenario, after how they make such a big deal out of "Minbari do not lie" and Lennier being ever obedient.

I suppose you could look at it as Lennier sparing the man's honour by lying, rather than telling him to his face that he's an obnoxious drunk? (which could also have caused a commotion in a public place if the man had taken offence).

He probably inadvertently also saved the man's life, after he went to sit somewhere else and was probably out of range of the explosion.

Lennier's Tears February 4th 15 20:21

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Yea, I'm willing to accept an explanation like that although it seems more Lennier-like to just suffer in silence ... Maybe he felt it was a service to the other people around them, as well.

To add to my "You'd expect someone to file a complaint about Garibaldi", just after I posted this, I watched the next episode, in which a Brakiri apparently did exactly that :D


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