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vacantlook June 28th 05 06:22

EpDis: Hunter, Prey
 
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Mike G June 28th 05 12:26

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Fun episode, Garibaldi going into down below was great. Moves the Clark/Santago story foreward. I give it a "Good".

KoshN June 28th 05 14:06

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Fun episode, Garibaldi going into down below was great. Moves the Clark/Santago story foreward. I give it a "Good".

Agreed. Plus, I loved the bit about the doctor being aboard Kosh's ship and that Earth guy wants to board/search it. I'd like to see him try. :lol: :lol: :lol:

RW7427 June 28th 05 14:33

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Fun episode, Garibaldi going into down below was great. Moves the Clark/Santago story foreward. I give it a "Good".

Plus it makes a great avatar. :lol:

KoshFan June 28th 05 15:22

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B+ in my book. Not supreme quality, but a darn good ep. I also would love to see the EarthForce guy try to search Kosh's ship, and Garibaldi getting tough is fun to watch. Although what's with him and getting stabbed? About as bad as Sheridan's forehead for attracting minor injuries.

Minor detail that I loved but is easily overlooked: right before Sheridan sees the ribbon that's his signal to meet, Garibaldi sees a Ranger walking by. A nice little nod to the fact that B5 is just crawling with conspiracies.

hypatia June 28th 05 15:49

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I thought it was a very clever episode, with humor just where it belonged, and a nice way to push the idea forward that the Vorlons manipulate oganisms to suit their needs.

So I gave it the only "A". :p

Shaal Mayan June 28th 05 16:04

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I gave it a B rating more to move along the Clark story line and the building suspicions regarding Santiago's death wasn;t an accident.

Mike G June 28th 05 16:50

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I was hoping somebody would notice! :lol:

deaded June 28th 05 20:13

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I'll for for the A here too. It's not the best of the best but overall a very good episode. Maybe a B+ would be more appropriate but because this one has it all I'm moving it up to the A range.

RW7427 June 29th 05 03:25

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I was hoping somebody would notice! :lol:

Well, the fact that I watched that episode recently went a long way toward reminding me. ;)

Galahad June 29th 05 08:20

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I found it highly amusing that you have both Bill and Ted's history teacher and Socrates in the same episode of B5.

Elric July 4th 05 11:52

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A very good ep, but ot quite an A. Lots of intrigue - it really moves the earth story along and we start to see what Sheridan has got involved in. It gave us a bit of insight into the Vorlon ship too :)

B5_Obsessed July 4th 05 16:43

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I like the conspiracy premise and I get such a kick out of Richard Moll's face when he gets busted (he was in WAYYY over his head). I don't even mind the not-so-subtle lifting of dialogue from Close Encounters about the ship singing to him.

Gave it a "good".

Springer July 5th 05 12:24

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It was ok, but seemed to be lacking something. Garibaldi's trip into Down Below was fun, and the Vorlon stuff was interesting, but otherwise I find it hard to get terribly excited about this one. And the guy who plays the Earthforce special agent who's come to find the Doctor puts in a terrible performance. I give it a C.

vacantlook July 6th 05 01:00

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And the guy who plays the Earthforce special agent who's come to find the Doctor puts in a terrible performance.

My problem with him is part performance, part writing.

I so agree. Especially the big climatic scene. There he is, the tech says that Kosh's ship is ready to leave, and Sheridan tells the tech to tell Kosh's ship to stand by. And then they do their big ass whole-station scan and find nothing. Then either Sheridan or Ivanova tells the tech to go ahead and let Kosh's ship launch, and Kosh's ship goes on, gets near the jumpgate, the tech updates C&C that the ship is preparing to jump, and the agent just goes off. "I was NOT informed of a launch!" The way he says it makes me roll my eyes it's just so overdone. And it's like, why don't you know about the launch, were you not freaking paying attention to what the people around you were doing right in front of your eyes the past couple of minutes? No wonder you can't find the doctor!

Estelyn August 24th 10 14:35

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Yes, this episode does consist of lots of little things that add up to make it good. The building up of clues concerning the story arc makes it interesting to watch within the context of the whole show. One more detail that hasn't been mentioned so far was Sheridan's comment on the Vorlon ship at the beginning of the episode - saying that their technology is 1000 years ahead of Earth's. Those references to thousand year time cycles come up every once in awhile and are explained/exploited more later on.

Alioth May 31st 12 03:02

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I love how Sheridan chastises the agent at the end for putting his security forces on a "wild goose chase", while having Ivanova submit the agent a report with recommendations for other "goose chases" he can go on. Very well played.

And was anyone surprised, on first watch, that Kosh even got involved in hiding this fugitive doctor? Didn't seem too characteristic of the Kosh we'd seen up to this point, "getting involved in the affairs of younger races", lol (which we later know they did, big time--and of course, casting doubt on Clark's legitimacy would be key to giving Sheridan a reason and an opening for breaking away from EarthForce, which was most certainly part of the Vorlons' plans for him). We're glad he did that of course, though.

Looney July 16th 18 17:30

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Originally Posted by KoshFan (Post 221372)
Minor detail that I loved but is easily overlooked: right before Sheridan sees the ribbon that's his signal to meet, Garibaldi sees a Ranger walking by. A nice little nod to the fact that B5 is just crawling with conspiracies.

Yes that was a great subtle moment.

So I think this episode falls into the A category. Of course if you have ever seen Tim Heidecker's On Cinema show then you get that I give every episode Babylon 5 five bags of popcorn, meaning my range on B5 episodes probably bottoms out at A-. ;) Of course I really do like this episode. And as per usual I wish it had more to it. I wanted to see more of the search because I am always wanting to see more of the station.

I thought Bernie Casey did an okay job, but that his part didn't have much to it until his final scene.

I thought the use of Richard Mol as the not so threatening threat was great. If he plays a heavy it is usually a pretty terrible one because of his menacing size, but Max didn't seem too threatening after he used that knife to clean his fingernails. :lol: Plus his reactions to learning some of the things about the Doctor Jacobs and getting excited about being able to get a few credits for the recorder were also clues. And then there was his henchman. I don't think many people would be afraid of a crook whom had that gentleman as his henchman. :guffaw:

I have mentioned elsewhere in the past that I would have liked to see the "Merchant" credited as "Reno". In Signs and Portents, 1.13, he was the dealer who acquired The Eye for Londo and his name was Reno. This character is similar to Reno so I wish he had just been called Reno. This is the version of Reno who might have fallen on some hard times, but is still able to find things and make things happen. Just an interesting note about casting.

KoshFan July 17th 18 14:16

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Originally Posted by Looney (Post 460978)
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Originally Posted by KoshFan (Post 221372)
Minor detail that I loved but is easily overlooked: right before Sheridan sees the ribbon that's his signal to meet, Garibaldi sees a Ranger walking by. A nice little nod to the fact that B5 is just crawling with conspiracies.

Yes that was a great subtle moment.

....Oy. I posted that comment thirteen years ago. No wonder I couldn't remember writing it.


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Originally Posted by Looney (Post 460978)
I have mentioned elsewhere in the past that I would have liked to see the "Merchant" credited as "Reno". In Signs and Portents, 1.13, he was the dealer who acquired The Eye for Londo and his name was Reno. This character is similar to Reno so I wish he had just been called Reno. This is the version of Reno who might have fallen on some hard times, but is still able to find things and make things happen. Just an interesting note about casting.

Yeah, I always wondered about that. Same guy, going through a temporary cash-flow problem? Less-talented twin brother? Unwise casting decision? I never could decide.

Looney July 17th 18 15:02

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Originally Posted by KoshFan (Post 460983)
....Oy. I posted that comment thirteen years ago. No wonder I couldn't remember writing it.

A great thing about this place is you can read through all of the old posts and opinions if you choose. Now if only everyone who posted thirteen years ago was around to comment when I comment on posts they made thirteen years ago. ;)

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Yeah, I always wondered about that. Same guy, going through a temporary cash-flow problem? Less-talented twin brother? Unwise casting decision? I never could decide.

I love to look for stuff like this and fill in the back story. I say he is the same guy only fallen on hard times. I also look for the recurring background players and supporting casts and figure out their stories. Take Bryan Michael McGuire. I believe he first appeared in Soul Mates, 2.7, and was credited as "Man"; he's the passenger Mathew Stoner is messing with when Garibaldi spots him . He shows up in episodes after that as a Security Officer. So I constructed Soul Mates is when he was first arriving on B5. He is either arriving in his civilian clothes or he had been on vacation and was returning to B5 in his civilian clothes if Soul Mates was not the first episode we saw his face. It is his first credited episode on IMDB, but as we all know with B5 he could have been a background player many times. I don't think so, but I can't say for certainty that he was never in the background or under some "Uncredited" makeup. :lol:

Karajorma July 24th 18 20:37

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Kosh says that Sheridan's thoughts becoming a song is something that has only happened once before. What is he talking about?

Kraig July 25th 18 04:12

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Originally Posted by Karajorma (Post 461030)
Kosh says that Sheridan's thoughts becoming a song is something that has only happened once before. What is he talking about?

From Lurker's Guide to Babylon 5:

Also of note, the first time Sheridan confronts Kosh he says that Kosh "called to him." This is a reference to the dream sequence in "All Alone in the Night". Kosh replies, "I sought understanding. I listened to the song. Your thoughts became the song." Sheridan asks, "Has this ever happened before?" and Kosh says, "Once." When was that? One possibility is Talia Winters (cf. "Deathwalker") -- Kosh told her to "listen to the music, not the song."

KoshFan August 3rd 18 01:25

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I never found that theory totally satisfactory... but it's the only one we've got any evidence for.

Looney August 3rd 18 01:28

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Originally Posted by KoshFan (Post 461056)
I never found that theory totally satisfactory... but it's the only one we've got any evidence for.

Can you think of another one? I just mean please be creative so we can ponder. ;)

Kraig August 3rd 18 06:59

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He did appear to G'kar in the episode "Dust to Dust" in a vision, while G'kar was under the influence of the telepathic drug.

Looney August 3rd 18 16:08

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Very true so it isn't a one time thing. You know that raises a very interesting point that might be better discussed in the DUST TO DUST thread. Does this moment show that KOSH cares about G'Kar and maybe doesn't think the Narns should be allowed to "pass"?When I get to DUST TO DUST I hope I remember to bring this up. ;)

Kraig August 4th 18 03:09

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The "once" Kosh may be referring to is once before with Sheridan.

Looney September 19th 18 14:59

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Just saw that during The Emmy's IN MEMORIAM segment they used a still of Bernie Casey as Derek Cranston to pay tribute to him. It is very brief and only fans will recognize that the photo is from B5, but it was nice to see.

Lennier's Tears September 20th 18 03:04

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Originally Posted by Looney (Post 461299)
Just saw that during The Emmy's IN MEMORIAM segment they used a still of Bernie Casey as Derek Cranston to pay tribute to him. It is very brief and only fans will recognize that the photo is from B5, but it was nice to see.

I didn't see the Emmys, but that IS nice :)

"While I was asleep, the ship ... it sang to me!" I just love that. It's so ... magical! (Vague) SPOILERS for later storylines in this paragraph, skip to the next one if you don't want to see them. I love that the Vorlon programming totally worked on me. Knowing everything I know about Vorlons, and having seen how they fight their wars, knowing exactly how they programmed humans to respond to them ... I STILL think of them as kind of magical, just like they intended :p

Also Vorlon ships are just the best.

It's a good episode, mostly because of the Earthgov background stuff, and the Kosh stuff. "I will teach you ... About you. Until you are ready ... To fight legends." This is VERY exciting, if rather cryptic as usual.

Random bits and pieces:

- Ranger sighting!!
- Did the woman who contacts Sheridan come with Cranston? Is she undercover in his unit or did she come separately?
- I've said this in other threads, but those random B5 bad guys tend to be fairly hilarious. This one is one of the very best. Those sunglasses he wears when he contacts Cranston never fail to crack me up.
- Garibaldi makes a good point about the last time Franklin vouched for someone he knew when he was a student. Also Franklin is surprisingly chummy with his old professors, judging by the two of them we've met.
- Garibaldi's disguise is also fairly hilarious.
- Sheridan and Ivanova pointedly looking at each other to make it clear to the audience they're scheming :p Also immediately talking about it the millisecond the guy leaves the room.
- Why does Franklin recognize the pocket watch? Was Jacobs already the Presidential doctor when he was teaching Franklin?
- I am once again being overly nitpickey (I nitpick because I LOVE :p) but aside from the fact that it's yet another example of a late 20th century US-specific system being used in the 23rd century ... I find it hard to believe that professor guy can remember the exact grade some student scored 20 years ago in some 101 level class :p
- Kosh actually gave understandable, non-cryptic instructions on how to hide doctor Jacobs on his ship? Too bad we didn't get to see it!


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