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vacantlook January 14th 05 23:03

EpDis: Eyes
 
Moving on....

Refresher Links:
Lurker's Guide Main Page for Eyes
Lurker's Guide Extended Synopsis for Eyes

purplekosh66 January 14th 05 23:39

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I would have given this epside an "average" rating instead of the the "good" that I gave it, if it wasn't for the Motorcycle part of the story. I thought that was great!

I seem to recall seeing a thread about "Whatever happened to Mr. Garibaldi's Motorcycle"? I can't remember if it was here or on a different site. It did get some interesting responses. The one I liked best was: Garibaldi got caught speeding through the station on the bike, so it was impounded indefinitely! :lol:

Frank

vacantlook January 15th 05 01:20

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I'm on the complete other side, I didn't like the motorbike bit much. I do like the main story though.

We get another hard hit to the story in the way of there being people back home that are exceptionally manipulative of the government (in this instance, PsyCorps). We get more of the arc of Sinclair having been picked at the behest of the Minbari much to the anger of many other Earthforce personel. And we get to see Harriman Gray; I love his character. I've always wanted to know more about what his character eventually goes through later in the timeline of the story. I don't know if jms has any idea or if he even cares to think about it, but I'd sure love to see more. Harriman wasn't kind of in the middle of the spectrum. If Bester's on one end and season five Lyta's on the other, Harriman's in the middle. Matheson from Crusade was a similar position.

I do think Ben Zayn was overplayed in several spots, but I do like an ass of a character coming in and trying to take over because he's so ego driven that he thinks he deserves it. Of course, he was really nothing if not being played by Bester.

So, despite a few things I see as not to my taste, I still really really like the episode.

RMcD January 15th 05 05:50

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This is one of my favourite S1 epsiodes for some reason, though I'm not really sure if its deserving or not. I relish that actor's portrayal of Ben Zayne, especially where its completely OTT (or just theatrical?). I do think it could have been improved if the ending hadn't been so anticlimactic - one punch and its over! The Colonel should have hopped into a Starfury and pointed its cannons at C&C, holding the whole station to ransom.. or something :)
This is also the episode where Ivanova starts a bar brawl.. brilliant.
And the last one of the 22 to be filmed.
A.

KoshFan January 15th 05 09:10

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A good summation episode, "what has gone before."

My favorite bit is Ben Zayne complaining about Kosh. Just what, if anything, was he planning to do?

RW7427 January 16th 05 14:15

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I like to watch this ep and call Ben Zayne names. :lol:

Jade Jaguar January 16th 05 22:08

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Do you think his middle initial is N?

KoshN January 16th 05 22:38

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A good summation episode, "what has gone before."

My favorite bit is Ben Zayne complaining about Kosh. Just what, if anything, was he planning to do?

It would have been very entertaining to have seen him try something against Kosh. Boy! Talk about a bad move! :eek: :lol:

GKarsEye January 16th 05 22:51

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I just love this episode because of that guy's ridiculous scenery chewing- all that scowling and evil eye stuff and huffin' 'n' puffin'. I am such a sucker for that stuff.

PillowRock January 17th 05 10:50

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This is also the episode where Ivanova starts a bar brawl.. brilliant.

Of course, that scene forces you to make a decision about how to interpret what is going on.

Do you want to believe what they are pretty clearly trying to establish, or do you want to believe your lieing eyes? ;) :D

Is Ivanova a seriously tough badass? It seems pretty clear that is what they pretty clearly trying to show when she basically takes on the entire bar and is winning when security arrives.

Or do you *look* at the parts of the fight that we actually see and conclude that *all* of these people are completely inept, and Ivanova is just slightly less clueless than the other drunks?

I generally go with what they are trying to establish, and ignore how badly staged and choreagraphed the brawl is. :cool:

B5_Obsessed January 18th 05 10:44

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Ahhh, the battle of the hams. Sinclair grits his teeth, "I FOUGHT ON THE LINE! Ben-Zayne adjusts his softball sized testicles and throbs out "I GOT THIS SCAAAAAR IN BATTLE!" Then there's little Harriman Grey caught in the middle. "YOU MAKE ME SICK!"

O'Hare played in "A Few Good Men" onstage, and it shows here. It's a good one.

aajay January 18th 05 12:00

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Not one of my favorite episodes. It is only OK, IMHO.
I did like the motorcycle bit. JMS is great at throwing in some "comedy relief".

B5obsessive January 21st 05 15:25

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absolutely LOVE this ep, mainly cos i'm a major Ivanova fan.For some weird reason I laugh my head off all the way through every time. As is mentioned in the "Voices" novel, when Susan's eyebrows shoot up RUN FOR COVER! :D I think we are all very clear that poking around in the Lieutenant's head is a VERY bad idea!! On a more serious note, the dream scene was well done, and we are subtly shown that Susan can also chuck back the vodkas when under pressure, as is brought out in S4's "The Hour of the Wolf".

GKarsEye January 21st 05 15:44

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One of my B5 fantasies is a drinking binge with Ivanova. Then we would get into a bar fight with some Drazis and take Talia home.

RW7427 January 21st 05 22:10

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Can you spell NC-17? :p

KoshFan January 22nd 05 00:57

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Sure I can. I spell it g, k, e.

Shaal Mayan February 2nd 05 18:08

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I gave this one a B good cause I just the character of Harriman and Ben Zahn the thing that made me put it down a notch is the motor bike thing.Definately boring at least for me.

Cell August 31st 08 17:22

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http://worldsoforos.com/secondviews/...babylon-5-116/

maneth September 1st 08 05:05

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Originally Posted by Jade Jaguar (Post 184246)
Do you think his middle initial is N?

Nope. :p His full name is Ari Ben Zayne, and I'm guessing he has Jewish ancestry because of the Ben (son of).

I like the ep, there are some quite brilliant performances. I love it when a character goes so spectacularly crazy.

Jade Jaguar September 1st 08 15:42

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He's still N. Zayne to me... :p

maneth September 1st 08 18:24

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Well yeah. It would suit him well enough, crazy that he was.

Estelyn May 19th 10 23:24

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What I like in this episode is the fact that Sinclair is confronted with his past decisions - not because they were not good, but because he has enemies in EarthDome. Almost every episode so far is referenced here. There is a good deal of continuity and connection involved. And once again Sinclair manages to read between the lines and turn regulations around to suit his own purposes.

I do like seeing how sarcastic the enforced obedience of the station officers is - exaggerated affirmatives etc. And it is nice to get to know at least one PsiCorps member who is honestly trying to do his best - plus we get a first look at the law against telepaths in the military, which is referenced much later in "Crusade".

Ivanova's reason for not wanting to be scanned is quite touching - not wishing to ruin her memories of her mother's touching her mind.

JoeD80 May 19th 10 23:30

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A comment on the polls - I guess something in the database got moved because the answers correspond correctly but the questions are off. I noticed the other episodes titles in the threads didn't match the thread titles, but this one asks "Do you want to do Jude Law" with the answers of Excellent/Good/etc.

KoshFan May 19th 10 23:57

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Originally Posted by Estelyn (Post 361674)
Once again Sinclair manages to read between the lines and turn regulations around to suit his own purposes.

I do like seeing how sarcastic the enforced obedience of the station officers is - exaggerated affirmatives etc. And it is nice to get to know at least one PsiCorps member who is honestly trying to do his best - plus we get a first look at the law against telepaths in the military, which is referenced much later in "Crusade".

Our heroes dance within the regulations for as long as they can... but eventually the letter of the law fails the spirit.

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Originally Posted by Estelyn (Post 361674)
Ivanova's reason for not wanting to be scanned is quite touching - not wishing to ruin her memories of her mother's touching her mind.

And of course it covers for her secret.

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Originally Posted by JoeD80 (Post 361675)
A comment on the polls - I guess something in the database got moved because the answers correspond correctly but the questions are off. I noticed the other episodes titles in the threads didn't match the thread titles, but this one asks "Do you want to do Jude Law" with the answers of Excellent/Good/etc.

A problem so old, Joe, that the rest of us have forgotten it... as I recall, we tried to do something about it, failed, gave up, and gradually started to ignore it.

vacantlook May 20th 10 01:08

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Originally Posted by JoeD80 (Post 361675)
A comment on the polls - I guess something in the database got moved because the answers correspond correctly but the questions are off. I noticed the other episodes titles in the threads didn't match the thread titles, but this one asks "Do you want to do Jude Law" with the answers of Excellent/Good/etc.

This message board used to run on different software. A good number of the episode discussion threads were posted while we were still on that software. When we changed and started using different software to run the board, and ported the old threads over into the new software, something went screwy and the titles of the polls in the episode discussion threads got messed up somehow.

Alioth March 21st 11 12:17

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I love how the guy starts hitting on Ivanova in the bar, calling her "cute", and then she repeats "cute?", and... cut to new scene. Made me laugh the first time I saw it, because you just know that a whole lot of whoopass, and probably some censored remarks, immediately followed that (which we see the end of later).

Lennier's Tears October 8th 15 02:45

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I like this one. An "angry internal affairs dude has it in for Sinclair because he's jealous about having been passed over for the command" plot could be pretty "meh" by itself, but I love how this episode references everything that has come before, and includes a bunch of things that will be important later on (like, background stuff about Mars and things that are going on back on Earth, Ivanova's attitude towards the Psi Corps, etc. ). I also like the Harriman Grey character a lot, and I enjoy Ben Zayn's creepy obsessive behavior.

My list of little things:
  • Glad to see Lou Welch. I feel bad for him about having his meal interrupted.
  • I enjoy Lennier's interest in Garibaldi's motorcycle-building project
  • Garibaldi and Harriman Grey have a conversation through a closed door. Is there some kind of intercom system or is there really no privacy at all in those quarters?
  • Garibaldi's security office is very colorful :D
  • 1.4 hours for a file transfer seems like a loooong time.
  • What's the "interweb" ?
  • Ivanova tells Grey that if he gets into her mind, she will rip off his head and use it for a chamberpot. I like the fact that Ivanova, born in 2230, has this word handy in her vocabulary like that.
  • I think I've said this in another thread, but those coffee cups (pictured below) are the worst shape! I'm assuming that they are real cups that the people in charge of props bought somewhere, so presumably real people out in the world have used them. Seems mighty inconvenient to me :p

http://www.lotje.be/fanstuff/eyes1.jpg

http://www.lotje.be/fanstuff/eyes2.jpg

Mororless October 8th 15 09:19

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Originally Posted by Lennier's Tears (Post 452006)
I What's the "interweb" ?

A series of tubes.

Lennier's Tears October 8th 15 11:41

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Originally Posted by Mororless (Post 452008)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lennier's Tears (Post 452006)
I What's the "interweb" ?

A series of tubes.

Heh :lol:

Springer October 9th 15 21:05

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Originally Posted by Lennier's Tears (Post 452006)
[*]I think I've said this in another thread, but those coffee cups (pictured below) are the worst shape! I'm assuming that they are real cups that the people in charge of props bought somewhere, so presumably real people out in the world have used them. Seems mighty inconvenient to me :p[/LIST]
http://www.lotje.be/fanstuff/eyes1.jpg

http://www.lotje.be/fanstuff/eyes2.jpg

They're nautical coffee mugs - the broad bottoms make them difficult to spill on the high seas. Not sure why they'd be needed on B5 though.

Also useful for drinking from when next to your computer to avoid spilling all across your keyboard if you knock the mug with your elbow!

Lennier's Tears October 11th 15 18:19

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Originally Posted by Springer (Post 452017)

They're nautical coffee mugs - the broad bottoms make them difficult to spill on the high seas. Not sure why they'd be needed on B5 though.

Also useful for drinking from when next to your computer to avoid spilling all across your keyboard if you knock the mug with your elbow!

Oh, hey, that makes perfect sense! I mean, for use on the high seas, not for use on Babylon 5, although maybe they bought those after that incident in "The Gathering" :p

I'm sometimes amused at the sort of items that prop people come up with for sci fi shows. I've definitely spotted some items I own on TV, and I've seen the same item on different shows.


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