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hypatia August 21st 07 14:18

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I've wondered if that scene was actually staged, or if it was a moment that Andreas might have been ad-libbing. ?

Skander August 21st 07 15:59

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Excellent, excellent episode. At various times throughout, we've introduced friends of ours to Babylon 5--usually starting at Episode 1 (instead of the Pilot). We affectionately referred to this as "passing along the needle". Generally it was after this episode that they were pretty much hooked for life and for good reason.

I think humor is done hear as well as any episode in the entire series. The Centauri Banquet, G'Kar's buffoonish form of anger and mistrust ("...what part of this progression escapes you" had me laughing out loud on first watch), and Na-Toth/G'Kar interplay. I was happy to see Na'Toth replace Attache Ko'Dath and wasn't happy when Mary Kay Adams replaced Caitlin Brown. Also this episode is quite important to the arc as it introduces important characters, establishes an important reference point for certain characters, and foretells changes and relationships (Delenn/Cmmdr of B5) in the future. The line delivered to Sakai by G'Kar "No one here is exactly who he appears" reverberates throughout the series. TPoD is definitely a Top 5 Season 1 Episode and a personal favorite.

vacantlook August 21st 07 19:38

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Originally Posted by Skander (Post 306786)
...The line delivered to Sakai by G'Kar "No one here is exactly who he appears" reverberates throughout the series....

I'm not sure if you're just including this here or if you think that that line was in this episode. G'Kar says that to Sakai in "Mind War".

Skander August 21st 07 20:12

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Oops....my mistake vacantlook, you're right, G'Kar did say that to Sakai at the end of the next episode, "Mind War". The end of this one was Sinclair showing everyone the dominant Earth religion. Got mixed up.

vacantlook August 21st 07 20:36

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Originally Posted by Skander (Post 306801)
Oops....my mistake vacantlook, you're right, G'Kar did say that to Sakai at the end of the next episode, "Mind War". The end of this one was Sinclair showing everyone the dominant Earth religion. Got mixed up.

They're both great scenes, if you ask me. :beer:

crazyhorse August 22nd 07 20:17

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Was the "No one here is exactly who he appears" quote not in the middle of Mind War when G'Kar was warning against the survey?

I think in these episodes we see the beginning of the change in G'Kar from being the war mongering,devious little shithead into a more complex character.I did find it amusing how he was a scardey pants in Parliament yet concerned in Mind War.

These early episodes also got me hooked but take your pick from the season and I'll say them all :beer:

hypatia August 23rd 07 03:26

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[QUOTE=crazyhorse;306873]I think in these episodes we see the beginning of the change in G'Kar from being the war mongering,devious little shithead into a more complex character.I did find it amusing how he was a scardey pants in Parliament yet concerned in Mind War.
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I don't get you here. You can be concerned for someone (especially if you think saving her might gain you political favor with the highest officer on B5) and still be afraid of an assasin who is from a guild that takes its executions very seriously.

He's concerend for his life, knowing his people's best assasins are after him. Saving the Captain's girlfriend (especially since he didn't go himself, he requested other narns to go out and pick her up) doesn't take courage, in particular. It take political savvy, as I see it.

Anyway, yes, I enjoyed the episode but I know like always it isn't everyone's favorites.

Lousy_Dodgers August 23rd 07 05:09

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He's concerend for his life, knowing his people's best assasins are after him. Saving the Captain's girlfriend (especially since he didn't go himself, he requested other narns to go out and pick her up) doesn't take courage, in particular. It take political savvy, as I see it.

I agree, all he had to do to save Sakai was call in an order.

I do not really believe that we are witnessing much of a change in G'Kar in the middle of season 1. If anything, the episodes show a character with some depth(in that G'Kar has better things to do than sitting around and plotting against the EA all day) even if he remains a largely self-interested individual at this point in the series.

KoshFan August 23rd 07 14:52

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I didn't see "Mind War" until after I'd seen most of the rest of the series, oddly, and the thing that leaped out at me was that he was always been quite eloquent when he wanted to be. His speech at the end of the episode was brief, powerful, moving... and shows a side of him that we have not seen before. Unless you watch the series out of order.

So on the whole he's not changing, but we're seeing the beginnings of something that later became much more important to him and in him.

Jade Jaguar August 25th 07 20:21

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Originally Posted by Lousy_Dodgers (Post 306909)
G'Kar... he remains a largely self-interested individual at this point in the series.

I don't agree with that at all. G'Kar's interest is not self interest, but the interest of all his people, obtaining retribution against the Centauri for their long and brutal occupation of Narn, which was destructive of their culture, and doubtless involved the deaths of tens of thousands, perhaps even millions.

I never saw G'Kar as bad, or evil, but only as someone who was demanding what he considered to be justice for his people. Most humans would certainly feel as he did, under such circumstances. It always puzzled me that he did not get more sympathy from Earth people, prior to the second Centauri invasion. Of course G'Kar did transcend such thoughts eventually, but how many humans would?


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