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Markas February 7th 17 01:35

Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
It seems as if we have reached the point, after nearly 16 years, that it may be time for B5TV.com to retire. Our conversation here has dwindled to less than a trickle and without a B5 project on the horizon, there isn't much reason, other than nostalgia, to keep this place running.

I have been chatting with our board owner Antony about what to do with this community, or the remnants of it. Occasionally, some of the old-timers check in and we acquire some new members, but it is clearly well past its prime.

I would like to open this dialogue up to whomever is still reading the forums to get some feedback before pulling the plug.

Jan February 8th 17 12:18

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
I would miss it if it were gone.

There was an announcement the other day that the forums at IMDb would be terminated as of Feb. 19 and somebody mentioned this place as an alternative. Don't know if that might result in new members as the deadline draws nearer?

Jan

Raw Shark February 8th 17 22:58

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
I would miss it too. Don't pull the plug just yet!

Raw Shark

"Vir! Yes or no?!?"
Londo

Kraig February 9th 17 00:08

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
I will also miss this place. I check in from time to time, but rarely see any new posts outside of the Babbleon members lounge.

KoshFan February 9th 17 02:24

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
It seems I have returned, by pure chance, at an opportune time.

It's true that the forum has long since served its intended purpose. Just about all the B5-specific news we'll get will be more deaths "in the family" as still more of the cast go to the sea...

On the other hand, I'm re-watching the show with my beloved, and marveling at its continued relevance. With some stories, there's still more to talk about, even many years after the last tale is told. I think B5 will stand that test of time, as long as there are some of us who remember it and occasionally lead others to it. I'd love to relay my partner's feedback/theories to my fellow fans -- Adrian's quite a shrewd guesser sometimes, and other times comes up with wildly-off-yet-still-logical theories, too. It's fun to see the story through fresh eyes.

(Over at io9, where I do not join the discussion but still read the comments sometimes, there was a "favorite quote from science fiction?" thread recently, and quite a few were from the old show. Vir's most famous line/wave, mostly, but also many others more politically-oriented. In fact, a link on that thread was what led me back here, after all this time.)


Let me say this. If B5TV is to go beyond the rim, let us have a farewell tour first, as Sheridan did. Pick a date and announce it. Put out an all-call. Give us time to reconvene and reminisce for a bit, to catch up and renew acquaintances. Then, at the appointed hour, let the forum fade into the black. ...Or, if the catching-up was sufficiently fruitful, we could give a stay of execution. But I would expect the black.

Jan February 9th 17 15:37

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
I have no idea of the costs involved but would it be feasible to just shut the site to any further comments but keep it up as an archive? There are some *really* good conversations here.

Sinclair February 10th 17 21:06

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
My biggest concern over this place closing down is losing touch with the members I've met here over the years. Many don't stop in often or at all any more, but it would be nice to know there would still be a way to reconnect with them somehow if they did try and come back. Some old familiar faces do still pop in from time to time.

I know there is little going on in the way of the world of B5 anymore but it's still a nice place to come and look up prior discussions and opinions on the show.

As I've expressed, I'd love for this place to stay open, but I certainly understand if we are in our final days. As KoshFan stated, if it does close down a little grace period and time to say goodbye would be nice.

Ubik February 13th 17 09:45

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
If this board is to go the way of the Dodo, can I suggest that anyone still wishing to discuss B5 or the wider work of JMS, sign up at the JMS News forums.

It's a small community now, but we do still manage some nice discussions. We've also been discussing Sense8 and other shows. Please head over there if you need another place to hang out and talk B5.

HeinleinFan February 16th 17 02:22

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
Hello, Markas and all First Ones.

I only check in here once or twice a year to see if anything new has been posted, or whenever one of the cast crosses beyond the rim.

We can always start a private/members only page on Facebook. That seems to be where everyone hangs out these days.

It will be a sad day when Antony turns off the lights at B5TV, though. And I agree with KoshFan. A farewell get-together would be appropriate.

hypatia February 18th 17 05:23

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
I can't say how much cost and trouble the site is to keep up at this point. But I do know one thing: it is not a hazard to navigation. :cool:

HockeyPlayer47 February 18th 17 18:41

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
It's been a long time since I've posted here, but I still log in ever month or two just to see what's going on. I checked my profile and realized that I've been a part of this forum for over 15 years. I'm with KoshFan on this one. I'd hate to see it go, but I understand if the decision is made to shut her down...

puzzle February 19th 17 23:19

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
...compared to other communicatons channels, I rather like forums, but yes, this forum is next to abandoned, and forums are (relatively) high-maintenance because somebody has to keep the software up-to-date and keep an eye on how successful spambots are at registering...

...so of course I wonder if it's a significant maintenance work load. And, with no new development going on, does the software require patching often?

I wish I could offer advise, but I really can't. But I can tell a story: :D

Local anarchists where I operate, used to have a forum. It got created in 2006 when most of the crew was fresh out of high school. Data security practises were typical for the day and age, so most likely, it was a gold mine for cops (if they ever bothered, because my colleagues were light on illegality and heavy on other organizing). It got popular too, attracting as many as 500 simultaneous (human, not bot) visitors in the beginning. Then it dwindled down to a stable 20 or so. Of course we had trolls and at some point, the forum was really high-maintenance in terms of remaining open to everyone without getting overrun. Quite a lot of useful information got exchanged and... at some point about 5 years later, a generation effect seemed to hit it. You see, my colleagues have a fairly high political drop-out rate, either becoming all busy with raising a family, becoming entirely dormant or going off sideways either to hobbies (e.g. street art) or single issue politics (e.g. ecological topics) or downgrading from activism to community organizing. At the sharp part of the drop-out curve, people gradually moved to social networks (!) and talk eventally winded down. Those who needed real security also moved elsewhere (e.g. squatters: to e-mail and instant messaging).

As for that forum, it still exists, in case it might need to be activated on some occasion to draw more attention. But nobody in their right mind, and probably nobody among our crew, would ever dream of usin it for underground stuff again. For above-ground activism, maybe, on some peculiar day, it might even get restarted.

As of currently, that forum is getting about 3 spambot registrations per month, unless the admin has entirely closed registration. At some period, it also got hacked and restored from backups about once per two years. :P Partly due to admins being too busy (I was not among them) and partly because the really cheap hosting provider (!) had a habit of getting compromised. :D

So the only forums which are active and which I frequently visit, seem to be a model aviation and RC forum and a tech support forum these days. Used to be about 10, now down to 2.

As for me and this forum, I wish I had time, but I have created for myself so many projects and chores that I rarely do. So I stop to visit very rarely and very irregularly. Of course I would miss it, but I already do. And to be honest, losing access to this place would not unsettle my routines.

KoshFan February 20th 17 18:53

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
It seems that a lot of people are saying, "Gosh, I'd miss it... but not a lot." With the exception of Jan's appeal for archiving the discussions, I haven't seen anyone actively campaigning to keep the site up and running. Nor have I seen anyone volunteer to help out with keeping it running, if it requires labor.

Now, we're hardly a quorum of all users, but the simple fact that nobody else has chimed in for the last two weeks tells us something. Since they have always been the most (hyper)active, the Babbleonians might have something to say about the proposed closure... but who knows if the rest of us would understand it?

It may be premature to call for a consensus, but what I'm seeing in this thread is general support for a farewell tour and then a good ending, hazard to navigation or not.

Markas is the admin and Anthony is the owner, though. I've just been around a long time.

Wulf February 21st 17 20:11

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
They are alone. They are a dying people. We should let them pass.

But more importantly, the avalanche has already started; it is too late for the pebbles to vote.

JonFrain February 22nd 17 06:15

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
It's pretty impressive that this forum has lasted as long as it has really. It seems to overlap with the jmsnews forum anyway.

Maybe you could make your own subreddit or simply migrate over to jmsnews?

Psi Cop February 22nd 17 10:19

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
Normals just don't understand.

Jan February 22nd 17 16:35

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
Anybody from here is very welcome to join us over on JMSnews. New folks have to post an introduction and convince me they're fans of some form of JMS' work and then wait until their account get upgraded in order to post (sometimes a couple of days or so) but we're a small, friendly (and ad-free) group.

End commercial... ;-)

hypatia February 23rd 17 02:59

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jan (Post 457570)
Anybody from here is very welcome to join us over on JMSnews. New folks have to post an introduction and convince me they're fans of some form of JMS' work and then wait until their account get upgraded in order to post (sometimes a couple of days or so) but we're a small, friendly (and ad-free) group.

End commercial... ;-)

I registered, but the thread for new people to post an intro is closed. Are there no new registrations, or should we just email you or something else?

Jan February 23rd 17 11:52

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
Hi Hypatia,

Did you get the email from DougO? In the forum 'JMS News Information' the second item down is called 'Introductions'. That's where you should post. It's not closed and new members are welcome! If you still have trouble, PM me here with your user name and I'll see if DougO can clear you anyway.

See you there!
Jan

vorlonlovechild February 23rd 17 18:14

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
I'm kinda sad that this site may well be visiting the Maker. I still visit from time to time to see if anything is happening in the world of B5. Sad to see it go if that is to be its fate, but just like sheridan maybe it should just.......stop?

Oh well I suppose i'll have to hop on back over to JMS News for my fix.

Markas February 24th 17 23:33

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
I am heartened so see so many friends that I thought had already passed beyond the rim. ;)

Administratively, this isn't a burdensome place. There are a few mods that come around and tend to their forums that still have some life. If something gets a bit strange, they know how to contact me to come sort it out.

I am loathe to shut it down myself. This was truly the first forum where I felt truly at home. And while I have shown up elsewhere (primarily at Antony's other, much busier site, TrekBBS), it hasn't been "the same."

Antony essentially said to me that it doesn't have to be imminent. It may be time, however, to send out a broadcast notice to see who would like to have a view of the place. As Jan said, there are many wonderful conversations stored here. I believe Antony mentioned it could be all archived so that it could be accessed or restored if desired.

Thanks all for your feedback. It warms the heart of this OLD first one.

RW7427 February 24th 17 23:53

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
I still come to B5TV pretty much every day, but that is really just to Babbleon, the forum that I moderate, and the one that seems to have the most activity. I do keep my eyes out for suspicious activity in any forum, but that is pretty much non-existant.

Jan February 25th 17 15:52

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
Markas or RW, FYI, a few folks over on JMSnews have mentioned that they tried to sign in or register here and weren't able. Can somebody check the registration mechanism and see if it needs to be kicked?

Thanks,
Jan

RW7427 February 25th 17 19:57

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
That would have to be Markas. I don't have the power to do that.

hypatia February 26th 17 02:13

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jan (Post 457581)
Hi Hypatia,

Did you get the email from DougO? In the forum 'JMS News Information' the second item down is called 'Introductions'. That's where you should post. It's not closed and new members are welcome! If you still have trouble, PM me here with your user name and I'll see if DougO can clear you anyway.

See you there!
Jan

I'm not sure if I found the email, it's been busy at work this week. But I did pop back in and I think I figured it out, I did post a note. Thanks! No matter what happens to our beloved B5TV, I'll have a bit of a link to all things JMS. :)

Markas March 3rd 17 00:55

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jan (Post 457606)
Markas or RW, FYI, a few folks over on JMSnews have mentioned that they tried to sign in or register here and weren't able. Can somebody check the registration mechanism and see if it needs to be kicked?

Thanks,
Jan

Clearly, there is a problem with our registration system. It is not sending registration emails (the ones that you have to "push the button" to be allowed to post). I'll look into this.

Thanks for bringing it to my attention, Jan.

Mororless March 3rd 17 07:18

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
I think the nature of this place(with a focus on individual episodes) tends to mean that activity will go up and down. if you have people doing a rewatch of the series you might get a significant degree of activity over a few months and then fall back to very little.

If it did go I wonder could there be the possible of shifting the existing episode discussions to a JMS subforum? those are quite unique discussions in that they often go back years and are rather less conversational.

Springer March 26th 17 23:00

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
I tend not to do online communities/message boards/Facebook group anymore as I find myself not really getting on with them, but I would miss this place if it went beyond the rim. There are some good conversations and useful info among its threads.

I think B5 continues to have a lot of relevance to our modern world and it would be nice to keep this place open to discuss it. If not, I'd at least pop back to participate in a grand finale thread before saying goodbye to the forum.

Demonn March 27th 17 16:15

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
Though it take a thousand years... I think B5 will eventually be redone/renewed or given a movie, and whether that does or does not happen I shall remain to check in every now and then until the lights are turned off... or are replaced, and new paint is added to the walls.

I have enjoyed the time that i've spent lurking/posting here (mostly lurking), and would like to thank those who have manned AND held the line all these years.

RW7427 March 30th 17 02:26

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonn (Post 457731)
Though it take a thousand years... I think B5 will eventually be redone/renewed or given a movie, and whether that does or does not happen I shall remain to check in every now and then until the lights are turned off... or are replaced, and new paint is added to the walls.

I have enjoyed the time that i've spent lurking/posting here (mostly lurking), and would like to thank those who have manned AND held the line all these years.

**clicks the like button**

Can you tell I spend too much time on Facebook? :lol:

dawnchild April 11th 17 13:53

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
Just popped in after a long abscence.. and am sad to see you are considering shutting down the forum :( If there was a little more activity here (what about f.ex fun RP in the B5 world?) I would come here more often, I remember with fondness the activity-level we had 14-15 years ago when I joined, but in the last years when I have intermittently stopped by things have been pretty 'dead' except for a few active Babbleon threads.

I too think B5 will get a 'rebirth' some day and new members will look for places like this, so if possible I would like it to 'stay open', also because it has great history and is one of the very few remaining active B5 member-interaction sites left on the Internet, but if the cost is too great and the work with a view to the amount of active members too taxing, I understand if 'it is soon time to go beyond the rim'.

Wulf April 11th 17 19:52

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
I've changed my mind. You guys aren't allowed to shut things down.

Now that that's settled we can focus on the important things again.

Like, what do you want?

RW7427 April 12th 17 23:07

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wulf (Post 457801)
I've changed my mind. You guys aren't allowed to shut things down.

Now that that's settled we can focus on the important things again.

Like, what do you want?

**Clicks the Like button** :lol:

Admiral Beckham April 13th 17 15:38

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
I would seriously dislike it if B5TV shut down, it has been a lonely existence in the past few years since we were forced to shut down B5TECH. I have truely begun to understand the plight of dear old Zathras, rest his soul (Tim Choate rip). I rarely post anymore on B5 anymore but I do still lurk. Just my thoughts on the matter.
James
Admiral Beckham
Former administrator @B5Tech.com

zohak April 14th 17 07:24

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
Admiral Beckham
Former administrator @B5Tech.com

What happened to Brandon on b5tech.com tried to find out
but he has not be active for about five plus years on his
site and the forum look like its been shut down.

thanks.

hypatia April 15th 17 18:40

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
We have more old-time lurkers here than I thought. :bolian:

Markas April 16th 17 00:07

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
I am trying to resolve the login issues, which have prevented new people from joining. So far, the Rim is off a bit. ;)

Nice seeing some old-timers around the place.

Sinclair April 16th 17 23:49

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
I love seeing the old faces around here. Just another reason to keep this place going in my opinion!

RW7427 April 17th 17 02:25

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
My old face hasn't left :lol:

hypatia April 17th 17 03:15

Re: Is it time to go beyond the rim?
 
Why, Sinclair is back. Hey there, old friend! :thumbsup:


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