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KoshN June 5th 15 13:00

Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
I never was much interested* in the new B5 theatrical release (remake or reimagining) due to, IMO:
  1. Babylon 5 having been made well enough the first time.
  2. Too much time having passed in the real world (Sept. 1st will mark 16 years since the last ep. of Crusade first aired on TNT.).
  3. Too many original cast members having passed beyond the rim necessitating a large percentage of new cast members and recasting (new actors as original B5 characters and/or original B5 actors as new characters).
  4. Too many false/failed starts (Crusade TV show killed by TNT-Atlanta (the poisonous, spiteful entity that seems to have killed the B5 universe.), Babylon 5: Legend of the Rangers "Sci-Fi Channel Original" backdoor pilot that went nowhere, Babylon 5: The Memory of Shadows script that never got filmed, owned by others and looks like it'll remain under wraps forever, and Babylon 5: The Lost Tales (Voices in the Dark) single, very low budget, DVD release.

...but has there been any news on the latest B5 theatrical release that JMS was going to self-finance with partners (as opposed to crowd funding) for 2016 or so? Has JMS given up on it or pushed it off due to Sense8, etc.?.

Somebody asked on Twitter:

@MacBreck @pinojo please tell me that B5 is being reborn! If so, you made my day!


So, I asked JMS on Twitter and got no response, though I'd have been shocked to get a response from him. Maybe, I committed an affront or slight by asking about B5 at a time he rolling out Sense8 ? Maybe he has me muted. I dunno. <shrug>. I haven't been paying attention to JMS for a long time.

About the only B5 related thing I'd really be interested in, now, is a continuation and completion of Babylon 5: Crusade in novels, and I'm NEVER going to get that because JMS isn't interested.

* However, I would have seen and supported it due to loyalty to B5 (1993-1998) & Crusade (1999).

Jan June 5th 15 14:54

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
For some reason last August's article about the announcement at SDCC is making the rounds again as if it were new. Don't know why.

No, there's no news since the announcement. I never really expected any. Sense8 was already in production at the time the announcement was made and filming continued to late October, as I recall, except for some flashback scenes in Iceland that had to wait until there was snow in late December or early January. Then came editing and post-production. So he's been busy.

Hopefully there might be some news at his spotlight panel at SDCC next month. I'll be sure to make the rounds and keep people posted if so.

As for committing an affront...why would you think that? Were you rude? When did you ask? If it was in the last week, the #FreeBabylon5 campaign may have been flooding his feed. I asked people to Tweet Netflix and I noticed that a bunch of people included his Twitter handle in those tweets.

Jan

KoshN June 5th 15 18:36

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jan (Post 451646)

As for committing an affront...why would you think that? Were you rude? When did you ask? If it was in the last week, the #FreeBabylon5 campaign may have been flooding his feed. I asked people to Tweet Netflix and I noticed that a bunch of people included his Twitter handle in those tweets.

Jan

Tweeted ~1 day ago.

These tweets were in the thread:

@B2Bspecialist @pinojo @straczynski Keep an eye on things at http://t.co/GLNyNSDJfD . I gave up on anything new & good in B5 universe.

and

@B2Bspecialist @pinojo @straczynski IMO, the last good thing in the B5 universe was B5:Crusade. DAMN YOU, TNT.

but I just changed 'em to

@B2Bspecialist @pinojo @straczynski Keep an eye on things at http://t.co/GLNyNSDJfD in B5 Related forum.

and

@B2Bspecialist @pinojo @straczynski IMO, the last good thing in the B5 universe was B5:Crusade. DAMN YOU, TNT-Atlanta.

Jan June 5th 15 20:29

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
You can change tweets after they've been sent? Isn't that kind of too late? Or did you re-send them?

Just curious...

Jan

KoshN June 5th 15 21:36

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jan (Post 451648)
You can change tweets after they've been sent? Isn't that kind of too late? Or did you re-send them?

Just curious...

Jan

You can't edit the tweets in twitter, but you can delete them (trashcan symbol), and then put new tweets in their place,

I copy the existing tweets to a new draft email in gmail (It's just a scratchpad area really.), delete the tweets, type the new tweet text in the email draft, go to the place in twitter where I want to put the new tweets, copy and paste the text from the email draft, and then send the new tweets.

The thing is, you have to retweet the tweet you're replying to, so it's sitting in your tweet history so you don't lose it due to scrolling. Otherwise, you lose the place to hang the replacement tweets. Alternately, you can put up the replacement tweets before you delete the old ones.

For this time, I just went to the Photos on my twitter profile page, scrolled across to the B5 & Crusade pictures that were there because they were in mu "Ahem." tweet, clicked on the link to the tweet at the bottom, and went to the thread that way.

Need some Excedrin yet? :lol:

RW7427 June 6th 15 17:21

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
I get migraines so news about tweeting and retweeting untweeting or whatever doesn't bother me. Plus I don't tweet anyway....Facebook takes up way too much of my time. :lol:

I did see people posting and mentioning a B5 movie in 2016 in the B5 Facebook group that I belong to, but there really wasn't much more than speculation and questions.....not much info given.

Jan June 6th 15 18:45

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
Whenever I see those threads I try to post the link to the transcript from the panel where JMS made the announcement. I'm sure some people are tired of seeing it but at least it's 'from the horses mouth' so to speak.

http://freebabylon5.com/b5-movie-new...nt-transcript/

Jan

Jan June 7th 15 19:48

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
No real news, but here's what JMS recently said in an interview so apparently the plan is still in place.

Quote:

N: One last question… What can you tell us about the current status of Babylon 5? Will we see more?

JMS: I still maintain the film rights to Babylon 5, although Warners owns the television rights. I would love to do a feature film in the Babylon 5 universe and kind of reboot that for a larger audience, with a proper budget that we never had on the series. So I’m hoping this year to write a B5 screenplay, and then get it financed at a proper level and then do it in 2016 and reboot the franchise. It couldn’t be a continuation because we’ve lost several actors and not enough folks saw the original. It would be a reboot.
http://nerdist.com/exclusive-j-micha...series-sense8/

Jan

KoshN June 8th 15 09:29

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RW7427 (Post 451651)
I get migraines so news about tweeting and retweeting untweeting or whatever doesn't bother me. Plus I don't tweet anyway....Facebook takes up way too much of my time. :lol:

I did see people posting and mentioning a B5 movie in 2016 in the B5 Facebook group that I belong to, but there really wasn't much more than speculation and questions.....not much info given.

I'm on Twitter many times every day, but I'm almost never on Facebook.

Sinclair June 11th 15 14:03

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
Reboot or not I'm really interested in seeing more B5. It's been far too long and I've been going through withdrawal for years. I don't think anything will ever top the original, as the casting was near perfect but I do think JMS will do a good job or else he wouldn't do it.

KoshN August 31st 15 21:16

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
Any NEW news re. B5 projects from JMS at the 2015 SDCC (if that's happened yet.)?

Jan August 31st 15 22:26

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
Nothing other than he still intends to write the feature film script this year.

Jan

hypatia December 8th 15 03:05

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
Are there any likely opportunities in 2016 for some announcement on this, perhaps? I was thinking next year might be the year they'd hoped to start production.

Still hoping... :D

Jan December 8th 15 14:34

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
Hard to tell. JMS has so far talked about it at San Diego Comic-Con for the most part so that's a possibility but that's not until June.

Last night the word came down that JMS will be show-running the 'Red Mars' series based on the Kim Stanley Robinson books for Spike-TV so that may have an effect on timing.

Jan

hypatia December 9th 15 02:39

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
He's always working on so many projects, I have no idea how he keeps up with it all. That's interesting, thanks a lot for the info.

hypatia July 17th 16 03:11

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
I thought I'd bump this up a bit, since I believe San Diego's Comic Con is next Friday, July 22, 2016?

I was wondering if there might be some news on the status of a possible B5 reboot. :bolian:

downbelow July 17th 16 12:10

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
I hope that something does come to fruition but I feel that too much time has now passed and we will likely never see any new babylon 5 content.

Hopefully I am wrong.

hypatia July 18th 16 03:27

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
Yes, that is certainly the practical approach. I was hoping something might be said in the way of an update this Friday.

Jan July 18th 16 12:02

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
I'll be at JMS' spotlight on Friday afternoon and will be reporting back. First will be over at JMSnews (forums and facebook) then everyplace else.

BTW, since Red Mars was mentioned upthread, it's worth noting that he doesn't seem attached to that anymore and the project's on hold.

Jan

Jan July 24th 16 15:00

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
Here are the headlines from JMS' spotlight panel at SDCC. As far as the movie goes, the short answer is 'not yet' as JMS is still working up the 'street cred' of his studio in order to attract investors that will put up the hundred million or so needed.
Quote:

Report on JMS' Spotlight panel at San Diego Comic-Con today:

Headlines:
- JMS had cataracts and Fuchs Corneal Dystrophy for several years but after successful surgery, now has better vision than ever

- There's an upcoming project involving three names: Bradbury, Gaiman and JMS.

- Midnight Nation will be becoming a TV series.

- Rising Stars has been optioned for a feature film.

- While there are still things to be finished up, JMS is leaving comics behind in order to concentrate on novels and plays along with TV and feature films.

- Re: The B5 movie, JMS is working on building his 'street cred' in order to be able to approach investors for over a hundred million dollars. He thinks after another TV show or two and a couple more feature films, he should have achieved that credibility for Studio JMS.

For the longer report, check out the post on the JMSnews forums:

http://jmsnews.com/forums/showpost.p...8&postcount=46

hypatia July 24th 16 21:20

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
Both Midnight Nation and Rising Stars sound like they could make great films.

Thanks a lot for the update. Maybe no B5 now, but maybe some interesting stuff apart from that.

Raw Shark July 25th 16 02:54

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
It would be nice if he would write a few more short stories for B5, just to let us know he's serious. I imagine he has many ideas for them.

And which piece of news is the one that we should be talking about for a long time? Is it possible JMS is involved in the tv series for Neil Gaiman's American Gods?

Raw Shark

"And what do you want, you moon-faced assassin of joy?"
Londo Mollari

vorlonlovechild July 25th 16 09:21

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
so.... no B5. :(

It's nice he's keeping himself busy tho.

Springer July 25th 16 11:30

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
I'm glad his eyesight has gotten better – if it had gotten worse I imagine it could have threatened to end his career, and then there definitely would have been no more B5. It sounds like it slowed his output down anyway, but now he's back at full stream, maybe if Rising Stars and Midnight Nation are a success, coupled with Sense8, it'll give him the 'street cred' he needs.

Jan, did JMS mention anything about Red Mars? Is it still going ahead and is he definitely off it?

Really interested in him writing some novels too. Have got OtherSyde (got him to sign my 1st edition Hb at one of the Wolf 359 conventions) and Demon Night so I'd be interested in reading more of novels from him.

Jan July 26th 16 03:30

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raw Shark (Post 456609)
It would be nice if he would write a few more short stories for B5, just to let us know he's serious. I imagine he has many ideas for them.

He can't. Well, not without permission from and paying a hefty license fee to Warner Bros. And maybe not even then. More than one company has been told by WB that no licenses are available.

Quote:

And which piece of news is the one that we should be talking about for a long time? Is it possible JMS is involved in the tv series for Neil Gaiman's American Gods?
Leaving comics. And no, unless American Gods has something to do with Ray Bradbury, that's not it.

Jan

Jan July 26th 16 03:39

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Springer (Post 456612)
I'm glad his eyesight has gotten better – if it had gotten worse I imagine it could have threatened to end his career, and then there definitely would have been no more B5. It sounds like it slowed his output down anyway, but now he's back at full stream, maybe if Rising Stars and Midnight Nation are a success, coupled with Sense8, it'll give him the 'street cred' he needs.

I don't remember if I caught that slide or not but his vision had gotten *really* bad. Like mud on a windshield bad. He showed a pic of what his screen would look like before and it was white on a black background and maybe a dozen words per screen.

Quote:

Jan, did JMS mention anything about Red Mars? Is it still going ahead and is he definitely off it?
He didn't mention it but from what I've seen online, he's off of it and a second showrunner also left and the project's on hold. Doubt if it'll get made, personally.

Quote:

Really interested in him writing some novels too. Have got OtherSyde (got him to sign my 1st edition Hb at one of the Wolf 359 conventions) and Demon Night so I'd be interested in reading more of novels from him.
Me, too.

Oh, and in case it wasn't there when y'all looked at the report, here's the link to the video I took. Sorry for the shakes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN_RJcV64ME

Jan

JoeD80 July 26th 16 05:49

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Quote:

here's the link to the video I took.
I think the link is missing

Jan July 26th 16 11:03

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeD80 (Post 456620)
Quote:

here's the link to the video I took.
I think the link is missing

Sorry - there now.

Springer July 26th 16 11:10

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jan (Post 456618)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raw Shark (Post 456609)
It would be nice if he would write a few more short stories for B5, just to let us know he's serious. I imagine he has many ideas for them.

He can't. Well, not without permission from and paying a hefty license fee to Warner Bros. And maybe not even then. More than one company has been told by WB that no licenses are available.

Is this why there's never any new merchandise? Every year at SDCC there are all kinds of models, action figures and collectibles from all manner of older or obscure SF shows that still have a fanbase, but never anything from B5. I could never figure out whether it's because people have just forgotten about the show or whether JMS or Warners were somehow an obstacle to it.

Jan July 26th 16 14:04

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Springer (Post 456622)
Is this why there's never any new merchandise? Every year at SDCC there are all kinds of models, action figures and collectibles from all manner of older or obscure SF shows that still have a fanbase, but never anything from B5. I could never figure out whether it's because people have just forgotten about the show or whether JMS or Warners were somehow an obstacle to it.

The last thing that I'm aware of that had a license for anything B5-related was Mongoose with the RPG and proposed novels. After the novels fell though, Mongoose eventually dropped the license because it just wasn't cost effective. WB not only requires a large fee, they expect a part of the proceeds, too. For anything but a large company, it's just not worthwhile for a show that's been off the air for 15+ years.

What's majorly disappointing to me, though, is that I've been told by trustworthy sources that Big Finish, the folks who've done some wonderful audio dramas (especially Doctor Who) have asked about a license and were told none were available. It's as though WB just wants the show to disappear.

Jan

tygirwulf July 26th 16 16:54

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
I hate when companies sit on a license just to smother it to death.

Sinclair July 26th 16 20:56

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
I don't think I've seen you around here in years tygirwulf! How've you been?

B5_Obsessed July 28th 16 00:02

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
You never know might turn up.

Raw Shark July 28th 16 04:15

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
Jan, I hadn't heard about Warners blocking projects before. Is it possible JMS brought this upon himself? Didn't he say a few years ago that they had mentioned the possibility of other projects, and he told them no, only a big budget film? Do I have that right? It is incredibly sad that B5 has fallen into a deep hole that it can't escape. What an awful situation.

Raw Shark

"The future isn't what it used to be, Mr. Angel."
Louis Cypher, Angel Heart

Jan July 28th 16 08:35

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
Yes, JMS turned down more Lost Tales when they didn't offer what he considered a sufficient budget. As for other projects, there may have been a low-budget game that JMS also declined to be involved with. There was at least one reboot TV series a few years ago that was contracted for and JMS had gotten a full season order and good budget and creative control. The venue that was planned for the series failed to materialize, however. Sources I trust have said that Big Finish, the audio drama people, have asked about getting a license and been turned down. During the Free Babylon 5 campaign, I heard of some TV stations that asked about running B5 but were either turned down or got no response. I'm not certain of these sources personally but it fits in with the response that all of us who wrote letters to WB got - nothing at all.

Here's JMS' post from 2008 where he talked about only wanting to do a big-budget feature film. Later in appearances he expanded that to a properly budgeted TV series. This is the key for me:
Quote:

As well intentioned as Rangers and TLT were, as enticing as it was to
return to those familiar waters, in the end I think they did more to
subtract from the legacy than add to it. I don't regret having made
them, because I needed to go through that to get to the point where I
am now psychologically, but from where I sit now, I wouldn't make them
again.
Jan

JonFrain July 28th 16 17:44

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raw Shark (Post 456645)
Jan, I hadn't heard about Warners blocking projects before. Is it possible JMS brought this upon himself? Didn't he say a few years ago that they had mentioned the possibility of other projects, and he told them no, only a big budget film? Do I have that right? It is incredibly sad that B5 has fallen into a deep hole that it can't escape. What an awful situation.

It's certainly possible that they don't want to do anything to help rebuild the property just to have JMS make a movie they have no control over. WB is really strange regarding B5 and I have a hard time understanding why. Turning down Big Finish makes little sense unless they want to bury the franchise.

JonFrain July 28th 16 17:49

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jan (Post 456646)
Yes, JMS turned down more Lost Tales when they didn't offer what he considered a sufficient budget. As for other projects, there may have been a low-budget game that JMS also declined to be involved with. There was at least one reboot TV series a few years ago that was contracted for and JMS had gotten a full season order and good budget and creative control. The venue that was planned for the series failed to materialize, however. Sources I trust have said that Big Finish, the audio drama people, have asked about getting a license and been turned down. During the Free Babylon 5 campaign, I heard of some TV stations that asked about running B5 but were either turned down or got no response. I'm not certain of these sources personally but it fits in with the response that all of us who wrote letters to WB got - nothing at all.

Here's JMS' post from 2008 where he talked about only wanting to do a big-budget feature film. Later in appearances he expanded that to a properly budgeted TV series. This is the key for me:
Quote:

As well intentioned as Rangers and TLT were, as enticing as it was to
return to those familiar waters, in the end I think they did more to
subtract from the legacy than add to it. I don't regret having made
them, because I needed to go through that to get to the point where I
am now psychologically, but from where I sit now, I wouldn't make them
again.
Jan

I think the quality of many scripts went WAAAY down after B5 ended, actually after Season 4 was completed. Crusade had meddling for sure, but that doesn't excuse the poor writing, casting and composer. LOTR was super disappointing, especially the goofiness of the battle sequence. It was a solid concept though. Putting Lochley in one of TLT episodes was a misfire as well, I know that Joe became fond of the character but she was probably last on my list of B5 regulars I wanted to see return. It seemed like Joe kept trying to make lemonade of the lemon that was Claudia bailing.

Jeremiah didn't really hit it's stride until late in the first season, but I think part of he issue was being forced to hire recognizable actors that sometimes simply weren't very good.

JoeD80 July 28th 16 20:35

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JonFrain (Post 456651)
WB is really strange regarding B5 and I have a hard time understanding why. Turning down Big Finish makes little sense unless they want to bury the franchise.

My understanding is that it is related to WB having many different competing branches. B5 was part of the PTEN branch and the show was produced independently of the WB studio (by Joe & Doug's studio); there is probably no branch in WB left to support it.

hypatia July 29th 16 01:48

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tygirwulf (Post 456625)
I hate when companies sit on a license just to smother it to death.

It seems bizarre, when you thin of it. But sometimes networks and production companies seem to do this, and I'm convinced sometimes it is that they don't want a project they had moderate profit from suddenly make big bucks for someone else.

If you're really convinced a project is dead, why not sell the rights to some audio plays and such?

JonFrain July 29th 16 06:32

Re: Has There Been Any News Re. The New B5 ~2016+~ Theatrical Movie?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeD80 (Post 456659)
Quote:

Originally Posted by JonFrain (Post 456651)
WB is really strange regarding B5 and I have a hard time understanding why. Turning down Big Finish makes little sense unless they want to bury the franchise.

My understanding is that it is related to WB having many different competing branches. B5 was part of the PTEN branch and the show was produced independently of the WB studio (by Joe & Doug's studio); there is probably no branch in WB left to support it.

PTEN dissolved before season 5 was even filmed. There was quite a bit of merchandising after that occurred, as well as spinoffs. I'd have to see something concrete to believe your premise. Things dried up after JMS stopped playing ball with them. They know that as long as he's alive, fans won't accept anything he doesn't approve of and it's already a niche product as it is.

Would JMS even work with Big Finish? Would Big Finish want the property without JMS approval? They do good work but where would JMS make the time to provide outlines and approve scripts? And maybe WB doesn't want to work with JMS anymore.


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