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Mororless April 28th 15 21:39

Re: Watching Babylon 5 in 2015
 
In terms of FX I actually think B5 benefited a lot from JMS working within the limits of what he could do at that time with that budget. Most of the CGI was limited to space battles that technically are much easier to deal with even back then(well from season 2 on anyway). What helps as well I would say is that whoever was behind creating those battle scenes had a very strong sense of composition, reminds me of the original Starwars films or Wrath of Khan rather than a lot of the jumbled quick cut mess we get today.

What probably shows the age of the show more than anything else is the set design, C&C always looked like a bunch of prints stuck to the walls. That said B5 never shooting on location or attempting to fake landscapes means it avoided some of the more comic Trek pitfalls.

Honestly one thing I find myself enjoying more and more with B5 recently is the very fact that the whole thing is done in somewhat of a pulpy style. The new Hollywood style TV is often great to watch can sometimes be a little lacking in charm.

In retrospect B5 doesn't just feel like a signpost to where TV was going with the scope and extended format but also a sendoff to where it had been.

Lennier's Tears April 28th 15 23:06

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Excellent point about the fake landscapes. The mounds of styrofoam in TOS are definitely on the list of things that make that show a bit hard to watch now. I still have a sort of nostalgic love for TOS, but yea .....

The look of C&C actually never bothered me ... They do have some of the older-looking monitors, as they do elsewhere on the show, but there's nothing really egregious, I find.

Mororless April 30th 15 22:08

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The dodgy looking fake rocks were around for a lot of TNG as well and even latter series had the odd not so brilliant "natural" location.

The main weakness of C&C for me wasn't the monitors but rather than the printouts that were sposd to be controls or displays always looked a bit simplistic. TNG by comparison did for me do a better job in covering budget limitations here by going for a sleek minimalist design.

That said of course B5 spent a much smaller amount of time in C&C than Trek did on the bridge or engineering,

Lennier's Tears May 1st 15 03:46

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I agree, the minimalist set of the TNG bridge works really well ... and it should, because as you say, rather a lot of the action takes place on that bridge. Those chairs look really comfortable, too.

Still, I find the C&C set quite charming, even with all its odd displays and old timey headsets and everything else :p I think I like the colors ... and that window design.

A couple of years ago I was at New York Comic Con, taking a shuttle to the hotel. There were some young people sitting in front of me, discussing their favorite sci fi shows. They called Babylon 5 "SUPER cheesy". However, as I recall, they did like Star Trek TOS and TNG. Talk about cheesy! I'm not the kind of person who butts into other people's conversations, but I kinda wanted to, because I was very puzzled :p Both of those shows are older than B5 (with some slight overlap between season 7 of TNG and season 1 of B5), and you can definitely tell.

Bonus picture of my TV (I had that handy .. it was easier than trying to get a screenshot :D )
https://scontent-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hp...19&oe=55DA3B76

I'm OK with the controls ... I can sort of pretend that those are some super duper high tech touchscreens :lol:

deaded May 1st 15 12:32

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Originally Posted by Lennier's Tears (Post 451488)
I'm OK with the controls ... I can sort of pretend that those are some super duper high tech touchscreens :lol:

No need to pretend. They ARE super duper high tech touchscreens. I'm pretty sure that was their name too, though they often called them SDHTTSs.

(your second photo didn't post)

Mororless May 1st 15 14:09

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Originally Posted by Lennier's Tears (Post 451488)
I agree, the minimalist set of the TNG bridge works really well ... and it should, because as you say, rather a lot of the action takes place on that bridge. Those chairs look really comfortable, too.

Still, I find the C&C set quite charming, even with all its odd displays and old timey headsets and everything else :p I think I like the colors ... and that window design.

A couple of years ago I was at New York Comic Con, taking a shuttle to the hotel. There were some young people sitting in front of me, discussing their favorite sci fi shows. They called Babylon 5 "SUPER cheesy". However, as I recall, they did like Star Trek TOS and TNG. Talk about cheesy! I'm not the kind of person who butts into other people's conversations, but I kinda wanted to, because I was very puzzled :p Both of those shows are older than B5 (with some slight overlap between season 7 of TNG and season 1 of B5), and you can definitely tell.

Bonus picture of my TV (I had that handy .. it was easier than trying to get a screenshot :D )

I'm OK with the controls ... I can sort of pretend that those are some super duper high tech touchscreens :lol:

The impression I'v always gotten is that in the US there was a lot more of a "fanboy" divide between Trek and B5 with fans of the former not wanting to acknowledge the latter. I'v never picked up as much of this elsewhere and perhaps it partly explains why B5 did relatively better here in Europe? I certainly never felt a desire to choose between them and enjoyed both even if B5 was my favourite.

The kind of locations the shows were using did I'd guess have an impact on the overall design aesthetic. TNG's sleek bright minimalism worked very well for the bridge and engineering but was I felt a bit too bright and plain for personal quarters/offices where I think B5's darker aesthetic was more successful plus of course a lot of locations like the Zocalo that TNG didn't have to deal with.

Lennier's Tears May 1st 15 17:58

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(your second photo didn't post)

Yea, sorry about that. I was kinda trying out the image posting features of the board. The attached image was actually a smaller version of the same photo. I tried posting via attachment first but I didn't see an option to embed in the text, so I hotlinked instead. But, I hotlinked from Facebook, and those links always stop working within a matter of days, so I also left the attachment. I'm not sure why it's broken.

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Originally Posted by Mororless (Post 451491)

The impression I'v always gotten is that in the US there was a lot more of a "fanboy" divide between Trek and B5 with fans of the former not wanting to acknowledge the latter. I'v never picked up as much of this elsewhere and perhaps it partly explains why B5 did relatively better here in Europe? I certainly never felt a desire to choose between them and enjoyed both even if B5 was my favourite.

I think I've commented elsewhere on this board that I wasn't in the US when B5 first aired either, and I have much the same experience as you. I didn't really become aware of the deep rift between the fandoms until later. I can still sort of sense that in people my age or older (I'm 36), but does that rift still exist among young people? For those who started watching science fiction shows when both B5 and DS9 were old news, would any of that stuff really matter?

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The kind of locations the shows were using did I'd guess have an impact on the overall design aesthetic. TNG's sleek bright minimalism worked very well for the bridge and engineering but was I felt a bit too bright and plain for personal quarters/offices where I think B5's darker aesthetic was more successful plus of course a lot of locations like the Zocalo that TNG didn't have to deal with.
I love the Zocalo sets .. I'm a little less enthusiastic about all the Down Below stuff, and the low traffic areas, which are always full of crates. Rearrange the crates and you have a new set! That said, there are some Down Below scenes that look really good, also. I love the aesthetics in that "One moment of perfect beauty" scene from There All the Honor Lies (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jli3ruqWYlc). Also the bits with Brother Edward at the end of Passing Through Gethsemane.

I like what we get to see of everyone's personal quarters. I like how they're all personalized to fit the characters. You can still see the Babylon 5 standard interior, but it's mostly covered up with personal stuff. Some effort went into that set design.

Mororless May 1st 15 22:01

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Originally Posted by Lennier's Tears (Post 451492)
I think I've commented elsewhere on this board that I wasn't in the US when B5 first aired either, and I have much the same experience as you. I didn't really become aware of the deep rift between the fandoms until later. I can still sort of sense that in people my age or older (I'm 36), but does that rift still exist among young people? For those who started watching science fiction shows when both B5 and DS9 were old news, would any of that stuff really matter?

Same age as me and very much mirrors my experience, it was really only when I started posting more seriously on the net in the early 00's that I picked up on the whole B5/DS9 fued.

For more recent viewers I would guess the two issues might be that B5 does show a lower budget in places and that it does embrace a larger than life style in its characters/acting. The ironic thing is that high end TV today actually looks to go down the naturalistic acting route more than most big Hollywood films. Babylon 5 feels a lot closer to say Peter Jacksons Tolkien films than it does Game of Thrones in terms of the general tone and throwing in good amounts of humour.

As quality TV grows as well I think there seeing a lot of the film buff mentality shift to it and honestly if your more interested in picking holes in something than enjoying it you will find weak spots in B5.

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]I love the Zocalo sets .. I'm a little less enthusiastic about all the Down Below stuff, and the low traffic areas, which are always full of crates. Rearrange the crates and you have a new set! That said, there are some Down Below scenes that look really good, also. I love the aesthetics in that "One moment of perfect beauty" scene from There All the Honor Lies (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jli3ruqWYlc). Also the bits with Brother Edward at the end of Passing Through Gethsemane.

I like what we get to see of everyone's personal quarters. I like how they're all personalized to fit the characters. You can still see the Babylon 5 standard interior, but it's mostly covered up with personal stuff. Some effort went into that set design.
That's one area I think B5's character definitely benefited from, where they lived said a lot about them. The aesthetic of B5's design made it much easier to "dress" with characters personal belongings.


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