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Psi Cop September 10th 13 23:29

Worst Acting Performance
 
One of the few things that disappointed me about B5 was the quality of acting by some of the minor or one time characters. I guess they only had the money to pay the main cast!

Who do you think was the worst?

For me it was Elaine Thomas who played Lianna Kemmer in Survivors. Even Jerry Doyle was struggling not to laugh at her performance as he tried to deliver his own lines. A real shocker that makes wood look animate!:guffaw:

JonFrain September 12th 13 04:51

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Jinxo comes to mind as does Major Krantz and the second Draal who seemed to ham it up big time.

Mary Kay Adams and the guy that played Lt. Keffer were horrid.

Russ Tamblyn as Captain Jack Maynard was very disappointing.

Tracy Scoggins is my least favorite regular by far though.

Republibot 3.0 September 12th 13 20:14

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Absolutely positively the telepath girl from "Legacies." Just terrible. Allegedly just hitting puberty, the actress was like 20 or more, and utterly unbelievable as a confused kid. And her attempts to act kid-like were cringingly awful

Ubik March 19th 14 15:09

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Gregory Martin as Col. Ari Ben Zayn in ‘Eyes’.

His performance is about as nuanced as a hammer to the cranium! :eek:

Springer March 19th 14 15:25

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Gregory Martin as Col. Ari Ben Zayn in ‘Eyes’.

His performance is about as nuanced as a hammer to the cranium! :eek:

Wasn't he the guy who was having a break down in the middle of filming or something? At least we had Jeffrey Combs in the same episode to balance things out.

The actor who played the Earth Alliance agent who came to the station looking for the former President's doctor in Hunter, Prey put in an awful performance.

Ubik March 19th 14 16:47

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Gregory Martin as Col. Ari Ben Zayn in ‘Eyes’.

His performance is about as nuanced as a hammer to the cranium! :eek:

Wasn't he the guy who was having a break down in the middle of filming or something? At least we had Jeffrey Combs in the same episode to balance things out.

If I recall correctly, he was going through a bit of a rough divorce. So he was ANGRY... ALL THE TIME!

KoshN March 19th 14 18:34

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Gregory Martin as Col. Ari Ben Zayn in ‘Eyes’.

His performance is about as nuanced as a hammer to the cranium! :eek:

Wasn't he the guy who was having a break down in the middle of filming or something? At least we had Jeffrey Combs in the same episode to balance things out.

If I recall correctly, he was going through a bit of a rough divorce. So he was ANGRY... ALL THE TIME!

So was his character, so if that was true, IT FIT.

Republibot 3.0 March 19th 14 20:08

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I'd also have to say David Warner in "Grail" just kinda' sleepwalking his way through it. And honestly I thought Mack and Bo from "A View from the Gallery" were stagey as hell.

Ok, what do you think is the worst scene or performance by a member of the principle cast? Meaning no disrespect. Everyone has a bad day. But still...

Springer March 19th 14 20:25

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I'd also have to say David Warner in "Grail" just kinda' sleepwalking his way through it. And honestly I thought Mack and Bo from "A View from the Gallery" were stagey as hell.

Ok, what do you think is the worst scene or performance by a member of the principle cast? Meaning no disrespect. Everyone has a bad day. But still...

Yeah, David Warner seemed to spend much of Grail looking bored - but even a bored David Warner is still better than a lot of other actors.

As for principle cast... that scene with Pat Tallman in Between the Darkness and the Light, where she embarks on what is meant to be a humorous rant and she performs it hideously badly. A similar scene, with Claudia and Zathras in Conflicts of Interest, Claudia really overplayed it and it just comes across as staged and hammy.

Republibot 3.0 March 20th 14 03:01

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I'd also have to say David Warner in "Grail" just kinda' sleepwalking his way through it. And honestly I thought Mack and Bo from "A View from the Gallery" were stagey as hell.

Ok, what do you think is the worst scene or performance by a member of the principle cast? Meaning no disrespect. Everyone has a bad day. But still...

Yeah, David Warner seemed to spend much of Grail looking bored - but even a bored David Warner is still better than a lot of other actors.

As for principle cast... that scene with Pat Tallman in Between the Darkness and the Light, where she embarks on what is meant to be a humorous rant and she performs it hideously badly. A similar scene, with Claudia and Zathras in Conflicts of Interest, Claudia really overplayed it and it just comes across as staged and hammy.

I'd agree with that.
I think O'Hare's worst moment was when he was pretending to be a thug conning a nightclub owner.
I think Boxleitner's worst moment was when he was in the cafeteria sitting my himself randomly laughing as though he's having a brilliant idea, but it's just cringingly fake.
I think Lochley's worst performance was with the bat in "River of Souls."

Ubik March 20th 14 08:08

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Wasn't he the guy who was having a break down in the middle of filming or something? At least we had Jeffrey Combs in the same episode to balance things out.

If I recall correctly, he was going through a bit of a rough divorce. So he was ANGRY... ALL THE TIME!

So was his character, so if that was true, IT FIT.

Fair point, but Martin is SO over the top that it borders on comedy. Ever seen ‘Garth Marenghi’s Darkplace’? His performance would have been right at home there. Sorry, I just can’t get past the over-acting, he’s awful in this episode.

Springer March 20th 14 18:36

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If I recall correctly, he was going through a bit of a rough divorce. So he was ANGRY... ALL THE TIME!

So was his character, so if that was true, IT FIT.

Fair point, but Martin is SO over the top that it borders on comedy. Ever seen ‘Garth Marenghi’s Darkplace’? His performance would have been right at home there. Sorry, I just can’t get past the over-acting, he’s awful in this episode.

It did make him entertaining to watch though, even if for all the wrong reasons!

Looking at his imdb and wikipedia page, he has had shall we say an 'interesting' career - apparently he was an astrologer at one point (!), and has acted opposite Richard Burton. And he is the son of The Beatles producer George Martin.

KoshN March 22nd 14 01:45

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If I recall correctly, he was going through a bit of a rough divorce. So he was ANGRY... ALL THE TIME!

So was his character, so if that was true, IT FIT.

Fair point, but Martin is SO over the top that it borders on comedy. Ever seen ‘Garth Marenghi’s Darkplace’? His performance would have been right at home there. Sorry, I just can’t get past the over-acting, he’s awful in this episode.

No, I viewed his performance as that of a man who's held a grudge for so long that when it came to him being able to GET his revenge, he was extremely stressed and then cracked. I have no problem witb his performance.

kaluno December 12th 14 05:17

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i very much enjoy the actress playing lyta's bad acting. sometimes she'll "Punch ..Every.. Word..In..A ..Sentence!!!" when she's supposed to be angry or what not and it's super soapy and comical. suits the character though in a weird round-about meta kinda way.

Mororless March 25th 15 05:19

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To me Martin's performance as Ben Zayn's doesn't give the impression of "bad acting" so much as "misdirected" acting. Some of the guest performances(especially the minor roles) you got the sense that was really all the actor was capable of but Martin's Ben Zayn to me felt like something going really over the top because that's what he thought what was wanted for the role, maybe what he was told?

I do think its notable in season 1 that the show really doesn't have the kind of unified tone we see develop latter, especially in terms of actors performances. I notice as well that both Eyes and Babylon Squared with the only slightly less over the top Major Krantz were directed by Jim Johnston. He did a lot of good work in the series as well of course but at this stage seemed to favour making "outsider" Earthforce officers rather too cartoonish.

Worst performance ever on B5 for me would be from another Jim Johnston episode, the thuggish guy with the iron bar who challenges Sinclair in By Any Means Necessary.

Wulf March 25th 15 13:35

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CC's mating dance makes me die a little on the inside. Though I'm willing to admit that I may have more of a problem with the scene than the acting.

Nearly any scene in the entire series when they were going for a laugh instead of a smile.

Penn and Teller, and every reaction to them.

Springer March 25th 15 18:31

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I've just re-watched Racing Mars. Cap'n Jack and Number Two must rank up there amongst the worst actors.

Interesting observation about the Jim Johnston episodes. I'll have to go back and watch some and keep an eye out for this style of direction. Though if I recall his last episode was Point of No Return – I remember him complaining about Majel Barret Roddenberry's acting in that. There was plenty of opportunity for over the top Earthforce characters in that, but we had the excellently creepy Vaughn Armstrong as the Nightwatch guy. Even the Earthforce generals that talked to Sheridan were fairly considered.

Mororless March 26th 15 06:57

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I've just re-watched Racing Mars. Cap'n Jack and Number Two must rank up there amongst the worst actors.

Interesting observation about the Jim Johnston episodes. I'll have to go back and watch some and keep an eye out for this style of direction. Though if I recall his last episode was Point of No Return – I remember him complaining about Majel Barret Roddenberry's acting in that. There was plenty of opportunity for over the top Earthforce characters in that, but we had the excellently creepy Vaughn Armstrong as the Nightwatch guy. Even the Earthforce generals that talked to Sheridan were fairly considered.

My feeling is that it was more a case of the directors and maybe even JMS himself(although I would guess his control might have been less than it was latter after the shows success) not really having as firm a grasp of what the tone of the show was going to be. You put the Ben Zayn character in an 80's Arnie action film for example and the acting would be totally fine. As you say he really nailed it with Vaughn Armstrong in a similar kind of role in the 3rd season when those problems seemed to largely be behind the show.

Strange that he had a problem with Roddenberry as I felt she was one of a long list of actors(including Vaughn Armstrong) who was better on B5 than they ever were on Trek, very commanding performance that even puts Jurasik in the shade a bit.

freshair3 March 26th 15 19:27

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Personally, I never really liked Byron. (ooh! my first post!) How did he get his hair to look so great in Down Below?

Wulf March 27th 15 14:10

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With this being your first post, I'm going to remember you as Fres Hair 3.

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How did he get his hair to look so great in Down Below?

Well, that's a remarkably personal question. Usually when you're grooming "down below" you go for an all or nothing approach. I'm not sure which way he went.

Jan March 27th 15 18:24

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Personally, I never really liked Byron. (ooh! my first post!) How did he get his hair to look so great in Down Below?

Happy first post!

Why shouldn't his hair look fine? And all the rest of them? They're not wealthy but they're obviously not destitute since they were able to make interstellar flights to get to B5. And we know there's plenty of water since we've seen it dripping so many times. Remember, Lyta was stealing vitamins and medical supplies for them, not shampoo. ;)

Jan

freshair3 March 27th 15 18:49

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With this being your first post, I'm going to remember you as Fres Hair 3.

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How did he get his hair to look so great in Down Below?

Well, that's a remarkably personal question. Usually when you're grooming "down below" you go for an all or nothing approach. I'm not sure which way he went.

Ha Ha!

freshair3 March 27th 15 18:51

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Personally, I never really liked Byron. (ooh! my first post!) How did he get his hair to look so great in Down Below?

Happy first post!

Why shouldn't his hair look fine? And all the rest of them? They're not wealthy but they're obviously not destitute since they were able to make interstellar flights to get to B5. And we know there's plenty of water since we've seen it dripping so many times. Remember, Lyta was stealing vitamins and medical supplies for them, not shampoo. ;)

Jan

Hmmm (bit of a threadnap here) Is there plenty of water if it all has to be recycled? Not all quarters have showers with water. Is there a hairdresser on B5?

Jan March 27th 15 18:59

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Hmmm (bit of a threadnap here) Is there plenty of water if it all has to be recycled? Not all quarters have showers with water. Is there a hairdresser on B5?

Water showers would be wasteful, true. But even now we've got waterless shampoos that are often used in care centers. I've used one once and it actually worked really well.

I'm sure there are hairdressers. Plenty of permanent staff who'd need one. But the teeps might trim each other's hair, too.

Jan

Looney June 7th 18 14:07

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Absolutely positively the telepath girl from "Legacies." Just terrible. Allegedly just hitting puberty, the actress was like 20 or more, and utterly unbelievable as a confused kid. And her attempts to act kid-like were cringingly awful

Okay so I discovered this thread by accident, but I think I will be having some fun as I go through it. First I agree that there are many cringe worthy moments with Alisa Beldon (Grace Una), but here is a question I have.

At the end of Legacies, 1.17, there is a scene where Alisa Beldon is saying goodbye to Talia Winters and Ivanova. The most important part of this scene is that it is a real spark in Winters and Ivanova's relationship, however, we are discussing the impression of Grace Una's acting so my question is whether or not people think this moment is brilliant? Okay so I always thought this scene was ridiculous. Alisa Beldon seems way too emotional about saying goodbye to these two. On the one hand they are the first two adults, we know of, whom have taken an interest in her safety and well being since her father died and orphaned her so maybe it is supposed to be genuine emotion. On the other hand, and in a manner that I think makes the scene play better, she also acknowledges that she isn't exactly happy about the way they fought over her. So maybe this overly emotional goodbye is just her way of placating them. I don't know it just feels that maybe the moment comes off so bad because it is supposed to be obvious how fake she is being. I know I am over thinking it and the answer leans more toward the angle of her performance lacking, but if I were right and she was just hamming it up to get away from those two it seems brilliant. I am thinking especially of the way she stops them and says she wants to go on alone. Of course we know she has to do that because Sinclair is waiting through the next door, but her character isn't supposed to know he is there so my theory seems plausible. As to the rest of the episode, I don't know what to tell you. My guess is that it has to do with a young actress being told she needs to play an even younger role of a fourteen year old.

BrianGault June 11th 18 11:37

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Well, I can't agree with you. It was my favourite moment, the most touching in the episode.

Looney June 16th 18 19:16

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Well I think it is brilliant if we are indeed supposed to believe the insincerity of the moment. :lol: I guess I just don't feel there is really enough of an emotional connection in the episode to warrant the goodbyes she delivers to everyone.

But kuddos for speaking up with a post that seems relevant despite placing a link in your first post. :p

Jan June 16th 18 19:42

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That's what's known as a spammer, Looney. No more. No less.

KoshFan June 18th 18 13:58

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I'm thinking bots are getting smarter.

Looney June 18th 18 15:02

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That's what's known as a spammer, Looney. No more. No less.

I know. That is why I wrote what I wrote and added ":p" at the end. . . . . :p :lol: ;)

Normally I would just have flagged the post, but they tried to be so subtle about it. :lol:

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I'm thinking bots are getting smarter.

OMG I hope that isn't true. But yes I have noticed a few posts here recently have tried to sound somewhat relevant. I hate it so much that they can invade our little sanctuary.

So Jan how long do you think it will be before they are able to get through the JMS News screening?

Jan June 18th 18 17:07

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Well, right now they can't register at all because the Captcha system is down. But with our 'honey trap', it would take something pretty convincing for me to request DougO to upgrade them. :p

Looney June 21st 18 03:02

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Well, right now they can't register at all because the Captcha system is down. But with our 'honey trap', it would take something pretty convincing for me to request DougO to upgrade them. :p

Yes, "honey trap". That is a good word for it. :thumbsup:

Talvitar August 20th 18 18:46

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I have no idea what I thought during the first two rounds of watching B5 since they were quite a few years ago.
However, when I started the third round a few months ago, I thought I'd die during the first season. Luckily I knew that Boxleitner was going to come to the second season, and there were Ivanova, Garibaldi, Londo, Vir, G'Kar etc. to save the day, and of course the story was excellent but oh. my. god. how much I cringed every time Michael O'Hare showed on the screen. Is he a stage actor? It was all I could think of as a reason. His ponderous way of saying the lines, exaggerated expressions... Ease and natural speech rhythm were nowhere in sight... the only explanation I had (as I tried to be kind) was that he did most of his work on stage and wasn't able to adapt to the small screen but what do I know... maybe everyone else thinks he's wonderful :lol:

Someone said somewhere here that CC isn't great at creating the scenes but she's really good at reacting. After I read that (in some episode thread), I haven't been able to forget it and now I see evidence of it in most every episode. It's true! CC is excellent in reacting to others / situations. Not so much when it's up to her to "build" a scene from scratch.

Am I the only one to think that the guy who played Ironheart was painful and awkward to watch?

KoshFan August 20th 18 19:12

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I have no idea what I thought during the first two rounds of watching B5 since they were quite a few years ago.
However, when I started the third round a few months ago, I thought I'd die during the first season. Luckily I knew that Boxleitner was going to come to the second season, and there were Ivanova, Garibaldi, Londo, Vir, G'Kar etc. to save the day, and of course the story was excellent but oh. my. god. how much I cringed every time Michael O'Hare showed on the screen. Is he a stage actor? It was all I could think of as a reason. His ponderous way of saying the lines, exaggerated expressions... Ease and natural speech rhythm were nowhere in sight... the only explanation I had (as I tried to be kind) was that he did most of his work on stage and wasn't able to adapt to the small screen but what do I know... maybe everyone else thinks he's wonderful :lol:

O'Hare was indeed a stage actor. I used to think as you do... my friends and I used to laugh at how he would always be smiling slightly, even in dark/dramatic scenes. And yes, he could be ponderous.

But you may have missed the news: a) he died some years ago and b) after his death, JMS revealed that O'Hare was struggling with a serious illness throughout the first season. JMS was ready to shut down the show so O'Hare could get treatment; it was that bad. But O'Hare refused, on the grounds that everyone else would lose their jobs, and pushed himself through to the end of the first season.

It's a remarkable story, and it really makes O'Hare's performance vastly more poignant. Think about it this way: without that acting (strained and rough as it was), the rest of the show simply would not exist.

Edit: here's the thread where we talked about it. http://www.b5tv.com/showthread.php?t=42275.

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Am I the only one to think that the guy who played Ironheart was painful and awkward to watch?

Yeah, I'm with you there. He was pretty clunky. And I've never known if he was whispering "Be still" or "Be steel" to himself. And every single time I watch the episode, he mispronounces "Serotonin!"

Kraig August 20th 18 20:18

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Am I the only one to think that the guy who played Ironheart was painful and awkward to watch?

Yeah, I'm with you there. He was pretty clunky. And I've never known if he was whispering "Be still" or "Be steel" to himself. And every single time I watch the episode, he mispronounces "Serotonin!"

Now William Allen Young plays a doctor on the CBS series "Code Black." Maybe he will get an opportunity to get the pronunciation right this time.

Looney August 21st 18 02:16

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O'Hare's performance has grown on me over the years. He definitely has some bad scenes, but just about every cast member had those. He also has some outstanding scenes. Before his illness came to light I had developed a great love for what he did with the character. I started to think that this was just how Sinclair was; he had quirks. I started to think Sinclair had more realism than Sheridan. As much as I love Sheridan you can kind of telegraph what he will do. Anyway, like I said, O'Hare definitely had some outstanding moments and some stinkers.

Talvitar August 21st 18 17:51

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b) after his death, JMS revealed that O'Hare was struggling with a serious illness throughout the first season. JMS was ready to shut down the show so O'Hare could get treatment; it was that bad. But O'Hare refused, on the grounds that everyone else would lose their jobs, and pushed himself through to the end of the first season.

That was very interesting. Doesn't make me like his way of acting, though. However, it makes me really respect his thorough professionalism and dedication.

He did have a weird way with humour which I occasionally liked. Very deadpan and out-of-the-blue. To compare with Sheridan (who I adore), with him you can sort of see the funny stuff coming, but Sinclair sometimes got a surprised giggle out of me. In Babylon Squared, the short "I'll notify your next of kin" still makes me laugh just thinking about it.

KoshFan August 21st 18 20:13

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That was very interesting. Doesn't make me like his way of acting, though.

Fair enough.

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However, it makes me really respect his thorough professionalism and dedication.

Yep.

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He did have a weird way with humour which I occasionally liked. Very deadpan and out-of-the-blue. To compare with Sheridan (who I adore), with him you can sort of see the funny stuff coming, but Sinclair sometimes got a surprised giggle out of me. In Babylon Squared, the short "I'll notify your next of kin" still makes me laugh just thinking about it.

That whole scene is still a delight after all these years.

Jan August 22nd 18 00:51

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Where others call O'Hare's acting 'wooden', I call it subtle. And given that he was surrounded by scenery-chewers, I'm not surprised that people don't quite get it. But he played his part *exactly* as written. The character was promoted to a post he wasn't yet qualified for by rank and he was suffering from PTSD after the Battle of the Line. His career had been stalled due to suspicion over his missing time and many folks in Earthforce would have killed to have his job so he was under intense and unfriendly scrutiny. I loved the way he played it.


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