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darth_librarian May 5th 11 17:41

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Catching this illegally. The books remain my favorite series but I'm happy with the series so far and love the titles. Changes are necessary and fun to watch. A lot of subtlety from the books is lost, including some good foreshadowing, but that can be nicely compensated for with lots of gracious nudity (also in the books though).

The titles are also incredible.

KoshFan May 10th 11 05:47

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Most recent one was pretty heavy on exposition -- and the best one yet. Plot's kicking into gear.

GKarsEye May 10th 11 14:58

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Originally Posted by KoshFan (Post 370280)
Most recent one was pretty heavy on exposition -- and the best one yet. Plot's kicking into gear.

Funny- I would describe it as "Most recent one was pretty heavy on exposition -- and the worst one yet." Because, spoken exposition is rough to sit through. Blah blah, there was this war, blah blah, there was another war, blah blah. I know it has to happen but this episode felt like eating the vegetables because you have to before you can enjoy the steak.

And on top of all that they made a point to bring in the Grejoy backstory way more than in the book. I wonder if that's gonna result in moving some of the events in the later books up a little earlier.

Then that weird awkward bathtub sex/more exposition scene. I am not enjoying the sex stuff at all in this show, it's really clumsy and childish.

John Snow stuff was good- he's my favorite character in the book and on the show. And you finally got some Ghost!

KoshFan May 18th 11 02:54

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Most recent one was excellent, even without Jon or Danaerys. The plot quickens and thickens...

admiraldave May 18th 11 04:03

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I'm hoping Renly gets less petulant, I didn't get that from him in the books.

Just finished "A Feast of Crows" ... oh dear.

GKarsEye May 18th 11 12:21

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Most recent one:

The good:
- Less characters makes for a better flowing, more engaging narrative.
- That conversation between the king and queen. "What's holding it all together" "Our marriage" Don't think it was even in the book (it looks like they're adding more and more original non-book bits each episode).
- The Eyrie, especially the prison. Sure it looked just like I imagined it, but I imagined it pretty good.

The bad:
- The sensationalism is getting absurd. Whores! Homos! Necrophelia! Bleh.

KoshFan May 18th 11 15:38

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The gay stuff was broadly hinted at in the book, so I'm fine with making it exlicit -- especially as it's not really playing to any stereotypes. Sure Loras looks good, but he's also a pretty dangerous fighter.

The whore flashing Jory was a bit unnecessary, other than to give Jory something to do right before he got offed.

darth_librarian May 24th 11 11:19

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Gay stuff is all there in the second book. I'm also loving how they are adding extra sex and using it as additional expo / filler.

Good idea!

Jory was referred to lovingly by other characters, even if he did not do much himself. Sansa had a crush on him. It was a different way of getting the impact of his death across. The Kingslayer is just as much of a git as he was in the book.

Even on crappy download the CGI is first rate for the locations. Looking forward to the blu-ray set.

KoshFan May 24th 11 15:08

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Most recent ep was pretty killer. As a commenter said on another site, "A shitstorm is coming..."

AnlaShokGrey May 30th 11 01:53

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Hey, was anyone else bothered in tonight's episode by....leaving spoiler space...
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...Joffrey looking so distraught as Robert lay dying? In the book, he was so nonplussed by his father's death that when someone (can't recall who) told him he was sorry for his loss some weeks later, Joffrey said, "Loss? What loss?" And had to be reminded that his father had died.

Also, as Jon and Samwell were making their vows, I'm sure I wasn't the only one who started saying, "We walk in the dark places no others will enter...we stand on the bridge and no one may pass...we live for the One; we die for the One." :-D

KoshFan May 30th 11 04:53

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The Night's Watch vows aren't succinct, but they are pretty impressive. Much like Khal Drogo's speech.

Good point about Joffrey, I hadn't thought about that, though the incident you're referring to is indeed some time later, and this was in the moment.

GKarsEye May 30th 11 14:58

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I don't remember Joffrey's reaction to Robert's death in the book (jeez, and I just read the dern thing like 3 weeks ago.... I'm losing my memory in my old age) but if it is a change, I like it, for two reasons:

1) As part of the whole "everyone is a flawed human, even the villains" approach of the story. Joffrey is a little shit and he's only going to get worse, but at least for one moment you can sympathize and see how he's just a product of his environment.

2) He's emotionally volatile, and thus easy to manipulate.

The one character I am really not liking on the show compared to the book is Littlefinger. I can't believe I'm going to complain about girl-on-girl action, but that scene was just clumsy and silly. The whole exposition + sex thing they seem to be doing like every episode is cornier and cornier. The only time this every worked was on Al Swearingen's blowjob scenes in Deadwood, but that's because the scripts were amazing and they were delivered by Ian f'n McShane.

On the other hand I am loving Cersei (more than some other viewers- it seems at least on the interwebs that fan reaction is mixed). Just the right mix of wounded viper ice-bitch sad lady thing.

Finally, Daddy Lanister! Appropriately bad-ass actor and performance. That is not opinion, that is fact! And he was butchering a stag...

Khal Drogo- his rant-vow was absurdly over-the-top but I dug it. His body language reminded me of those Siva Tau and Haka war dances from the Pacific Islands that Simoan athletes incorporate into their pre-match warm-ups and became popular on some football teams, and sure enough I interneted some info and the actor is Simoan and brought that to the table.

I'm not 100% clear on Daenyrys' bodyguard/knight whatever he is. He was scheming with the eunich, then was pardoned, then saved her life. A change of mind? Was he going to actually kill her at first? Is this different than the book?

AnlaShokGrey May 30th 11 20:57

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Originally Posted by GKarsEye (Post 370820)
The one character I am really not liking on the show compared to the book is Littlefinger. I can't believe I'm going to complain about girl-on-girl action, but that scene was just clumsy and silly.

HA, just for that hilarious line (you made me literally LOL!), but yeah, I do agree with you. It was one of those super-awkward "I'm giving you exposition now!" scenes that have to be handled really carefully by a really expert actor, otherwise they come off as just plain clunky.

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On the other hand I am loving Cersei (more than some other viewers- it seems at least on the interwebs that fan reaction is mixed). Just the right mix of wounded viper ice-bitch sad lady thing.
Really? The intertubes are not liking Leana Headey? Surprising! I'm loving her, and think she is letter-perfect in the role.

[QUOTE]Khal Drogo- his rant-vow was absurdly over-the-top but I dug it. His body language reminded me of those Siva Tau and Haka war dances from the Pacific Islands that Simoan athletes incorporate into their pre-match warm-ups and became popular on some football teams, and sure enough I interneted some info and the actor is Simoan and brought that to the table.[QUOTE]

Hrm. I thought Jason Momoa was (native) Hawaiian. Samoan?

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I'm not 100% clear on Daenyrys' bodyguard/knight whatever he is. He was scheming with the eunich, then was pardoned, then saved her life. A change of mind? Was he going to actually kill her at first? Is this different than the book?
That's Ser Jorah Mormont. His father is the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. I have no idea where they are going with him. I'm at the very end of book two as of this moment, and I don't recognize that pardon from anywhere in two books yet. I'm waiting to see where they go with this. I'm actually *doubly* anxious about the next episode because I saw the current episode last week, as a special deal on HBO's mobile app, so I feel like I've been waiting *forever* to talk about this one, and that it's a looooong break between new episodes. I almost wish they hadn't done that, even though I got two full new hours last week! :-D

GKarsEye May 30th 11 21:21

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Hrm. I thought Jason Momoa was (native) Hawaiian. Samoan?
You're right, Hawaii.
In my defense, Hawaiian athletes do those war dances. In fact, I'm pretty sure the University of Hawaii football team is who made it popular across the U.S. So much so that it was done by the fictional Dillon, Texas Panthers in Friday Night Lights.

And before non-Americans jump down my throat, yes I know rugby did it first, because I saw the New Zealand team do it in Invictus.

hypatia May 30th 11 22:29

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Fantas;y is always rely a bit too much on the obviously good and obviously evil. It can give the story a bit of a stereotypical feel.

I don't find the characters very interesting, I admit. The actions and reactions are really predictable. I am impressed with some of the cast, and there is some very good acting in it.

KoshFan May 31st 11 15:35

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Originally Posted by GKarsEye (Post 370820)
I'm not 100% clear on Daenyrys' bodyguard/knight whatever he is. He was scheming with the eunich, then was pardoned, then saved her life. A change of mind? Was he going to actually kill her at first? Is this different than the book?

The show's made it more explicit, but yeah, Jorah had a change of heart. Somebody pointed out that this means two generations of Mormonts have picked promising young people and staked the future on them.

GKarsEye May 31st 11 16:10

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Did it say in the book that Daenyrys' bodyguard is the son of the guy in charge of the Nightwatch, or was I just supposed to be observant enough to notice the last name? Because, in my defense, there are like a billion names.

What in particular made him change his mind in book and/or movie? Did I miss/forget that? I remember while reading the book thinking "why is this guy so dutifully following her around?"

AnlaShokGrey May 31st 11 20:10

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I haven't gotten to any change of heart in the books yet, so I can't help you there. I do think we've heard both Mormont's names on the show, and didn't the Old Bear (the Lord Commander) tell someone something about his disappointment about his son already? Or was it another character who mentioned it? I know for sure we've heard Jorah talk about why he left Westeros, and I think either Varys or Littlefinger said something to Ned like "He's a slaver, not a traitor, small difference." This was in response to Ned pooh-poohing the info coming from Ser Jorah as not reliable.

KoshFan May 31st 11 22:32

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Originally Posted by GKarsEye (Post 370865)
Did it say in the book that Daenyrys' bodyguard is the son of the guy in charge of the Nightwatch, or was I just supposed to be observant enough to notice the last name? Because, in my defense, there are like a billion names.

What in particular made him change his mind in book and/or movie? Did I miss/forget that? I remember while reading the book thinking "why is this guy so dutifully following her around?"

It may not be stated outright in the books that the Lord Commander is Jorah's father, but it is in the appendices. Darn useful things, those, since they're basically huge lists of names and how the names connect.

As to what made Jorah change his mind... also may not be stated outright, and certainly not in book one. But the show makes the case that he's totally in love with her (Viserys says it, and Jorah doesn't deny it), and that's born out by the books later on.

AnlaShokGrey June 1st 11 01:30

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No, it's definitely stated explicitly in the books, because I haven't read the appendices yet and I know I've read about it.

And, I believe it's early in book two where we learn about Jorah's wife and how Danaerys resembles her.

hypatia June 1st 11 04:01

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I admit, it is hard to follow all but the main flow of the story. I have no idea what you folks are talking about. But I also missed two episodes, or one and a part.

I have to try and rewatch it from the start, I guess, if I'm to give it a real chance. I wonder if HBO will show it again from the start soon.

AnlaShokGrey June 1st 11 13:07

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hypatia, if you have HBO, you probably also have HBO OnDemand, in which case you can see the previous episodes whenever you want to. Check out your remote and see if you have an OnDemand button, or look on your Guide or Menu sections!

hypatia June 2nd 11 03:43

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I have heard of the "On Demand" feature. I'll check to see if we have that in my little, backwater of a town. Thanks! :)

I see already I'll have to call the cable company. The "On demand" button only changed my channel to my all-time favorite channel....

the golf channel? :wtf:

AnlaShokGrey June 2nd 11 18:01

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Weird. I thought the rule with most cable systems is that if you have a premium channel, you have access to that premium channel's OnDemand offerings... You should call your cable company, definitely: it could just be an error of programming and they only need to flip a switch at the central office...

Sindatur June 2nd 11 19:29

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Originally Posted by hypatia (Post 370923)
I have heard of the "On Demand" feature. I'll check to see if we have that in my little, backwater of a town. Thanks! :)

I see already I'll have to call the cable company. The "On demand" button only changed my channel to my all-time favorite channel....

the golf channel? :wtf:

My On Demand is activated either by the "ON DEMAND" button, or by changing channel to Channel 1. Might want to try changing channel to CH 1

hypatia June 3rd 11 02:39

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Channel 1 didn't work, I may call the cable company. But so many features are new and/or attached to digital, it may be such services are available where I live. I also cannot order "Pay Per View" without calling the company, and that's a major hassle on the weekends.

Three times I've been told that the local cable company could help me with that problem, and it's simply not true. The technology investment was never made in an area this small.

Sindatur June 3rd 11 15:36

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Originally Posted by hypatia (Post 370945)
Channel 1 didn't work, I may call the cable company. But so many features are new and/or attached to digital, it may be such services are available where I live. I also cannot order "Pay Per View" without calling the company, and that's a major hassle on the weekends.

Three times I've been told that the local cable company could help me with that problem, and it's simply not true. The technology investment was never made in an area this small.

Yea, you'll definitely want to call them. Sounds like, either they may not be set up in your area, or perhaps it's in a transitional state of being prepared?

hypatia June 4th 11 00:20

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Hee hee, that's what they say. We've been in a "transitional phase" (to HD) for at least three years, now. Last time I was at the office I asked them if that was really ever going to happen. They admitted they didn't know.

Truthfully, if I could get high-quality internet without too many long service interruptions, I'd think about trying satellite. I suspect the satellite signals would easily reach my street. I just hear their internet never quite measures up to cable's.

darth_librarian June 21st 11 19:54

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The ending was rather great, just as in the book! Fantastic stuff with another season to come. Looking forward to the fifth book next month.

darth_librarian June 30th 11 13:37

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http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/2011/...me-of-thrones/

Stannis may well be played by Chris Eccleston. That would be great.

KoshFan June 30th 11 21:35

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Ooooooh. He's definitely got the look. I only saw him as the Doctor, though, so my mental image of him is always whimsical, not iron-grim.

I did wonder (with the offing of Sean Bean's Ned and Mark Addy's Robert) if they'd get another big name to play Stannis.

AnlaShokGrey July 1st 11 14:43

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I can really see him as the humorless Stannis. I wonder who they're getting to play Melisandre?

darth_librarian July 4th 11 10:29

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Tricia Heffer from BSG is rumored. A bit of hair dye and she would be great.

AnlaShokGrey July 4th 11 14:35

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As STANNIS??

darth_librarian July 7th 11 10:13

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lol no, as Mellisandre. Could be fan conjecture though.

Ecclestone would nail Stannis, emotionless but driven by a deep inner sense of righteousness. He played a great John Lennon recently, and has also played Jesus and the evil arms dealer Destro in GI Joe.

The man has range.

http://blastr.com/2011/06/rumor-of-the-day-game-of.php

James Purfroy and Gerard Butler are also mentioned, I could see other roles for the two of them down the line.

Also so excited about book 5. I've actually booked a day off work to pick it up and read it ...

KoshFan July 7th 11 14:53

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Not emotionless but sort of emotionally strangled, I think. I reread the books this past month and loved how Renly eating a peach sort of became an obsession for Stannis...

I've ordered the book and I'm hoping it comes the day after it's released (when I'll be at home) as opposed to when it's likely to come (when I'm gone for the weekend). But my housemates will enjoy it if I'm gone.

darth_librarian July 8th 11 11:11

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Brienne has been cast, she seems way too pretty ...

http://grrm.livejournal.com/227044.html

KoshFan July 8th 11 13:40

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Seems -- but I bet the actor who plays the Hound isn't actually horribly burned on the face.

And Martin praises her pretty highly in that link.

AnlaShokGrey July 8th 11 20:57

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Yeah, I'm thinking that they'll go the ol' false nose route with this actress. Or something.

darth_librarian July 11th 11 09:03

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She is also tall and has beautiful eyes. I'll stop now.


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