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Elipsis July 23rd 08 16:53

So what ever happened to the following characters:
 
While I enjoy B5s continuity, there were a few dropped threads that bothered me a bit, particularly the first on the list as it would have been a major plot point during Season 3.


Did JMS ever mention what happened to these characters?




1. General Richard Franklin - GROPOS


2. Lianna - Survivors


3. Brother Theo (I believe there was a thread about this.)

vacantlook July 23rd 08 18:45

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It would be interesting to know what Franklin's father did during the Earth civil war.

Elipsis July 23rd 08 18:52

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Originally Posted by vacantlook (Post 326234)
It would be interesting to know what Franklin's father did during the Earth civil war.

I was really hoping for something intense whereby Sheridan has to destroy Franklin's father's ship, causing great drama and tension between the two... certainly he was characterized as the kind of guy who would have been on the side of Clark's forces, though perhaps tentatively.

Instead, nil.

G'Quon July 23rd 08 19:18

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Altho Mr Morden's story line was wrapped up smoothly, i really enjoyed when he showed up in Lennier's room in Day of the Dead and asked him if he had any coffee, twice. I wonder if he ever got a cup. That would make for an eternity alright.

N'Grath could hav been important thru the series, especially after the station's secession.

And we never hear from the Abbai after they withdraw from the Council (or League itself) in Deathwalker.

vacantlook July 23rd 08 19:47

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I like the look of the Abbai prosthetic and makeup; I wish they had stuck around longer.

RW7427 July 23rd 08 19:53

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Maybe General Franklin had retired by the time of the Civil War. Or he could possibly have been promoted to a desk job. :lol:

Galahad July 23rd 08 20:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Elipsis (Post 326236)
I was really hoping for something intense whereby Sheridan has to destroy Franklin's father's ship, causing great drama and tension between the two... certainly he was characterized as the kind of guy who would have been on the side of Clark's forces, though perhaps tentatively.

Instead, nil.

The trouble with that is that Franklin came across more as a ground force general than a fleet commander. I get the impression he came up through the ranks of the GROPOS.

He would have been an ideal choice for planning the GROPOS strategic invasion of B5 though... because he was familiar with the facility.

I'm surprised they only sent one breaching pod... unless of course there were more but they were intercepted by B5's defences.

The other ideal time to encounter him would have been during the liberation of Proxima III... which was under siege/blockade and was probably a few days away from invasion/surrender

maneth July 24th 08 15:41

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Yes, I think Franklin Sr came up through the GROPOS ranks as well. But there again B5's flaw of mixing up army, navy and air force ranks at a whim really gets confusing. It would have made more sense if Ivanova had been promoted to Admiral rather than General by Sleeping in Light.

G'Quon July 24th 08 16:22

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Maneth, as you point out the flexibility of EarthForce ranks, it reminds me of the flexibility in ship classes.

Hyperion Cruiser was not so big. But Narn Heavy Cruiser, then Minbari War Cruiser and u are getting much bigger.

During the Shadow War, Sheridan demanded that each League world send along a "destroyer class" ship. The various League destroyers that arrive are all much smaller than the Omega Destroyer. Smaller than even Hyperions.

Nova Dreadnought was like a spachula in comparison to the Vorlon Dreadnought.



How does one spell Spachula anyway? I mean the utensil used for flipping things in a pan.

fisheggs July 24th 08 16:52

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Spatula.:)

Truth_Seeker July 24th 08 18:29

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I've also wondered what happened to Sheridan's sister from "Revelations".Didn't Clark arrest her during the Civil War?

The fate of Garibaldi's aide who shot him in the back is also interesting.My guess is that Clark had him killed in order to erase any evidence of his involvement in the assassination of Santiago.

Too bad that the mafia boss N'Grath disappeared after the first season.He was cool;).

My guess about Brother Theo is that he was a character, included in the show in order to have more colour and variety.He doesn't participate in the main story arc so at some piont JMS decided that it would be better for him to disappear.

ALeafOnTheWind July 24th 08 18:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Elipsis (Post 326231)
2. Lianna - Survivors

I thought it was obvious what happened to Lianna. When Earth Force 1 was blown up at the end of season one, I always figured she went with it. I always felt the ending scene of Survivors when Garibaldi and Lianna said their goodbyes foreshadowed this.

Galahad July 24th 08 19:05

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Except that her security team was sent ahead of Earth Force 1 to make sure the facility Santiago was visiting was clear of danger. I don't think her job entailed her being a round the President as much as going ahead of a presidential visit and coordinating with security teams at places the president was due to visit.

That said, she would have had a ringside seat of Earthforce 1 going kaboom!

KoshFan July 25th 08 03:57

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I always had a bit of a suspicion that Lianna uncovered evidence of the attack, much as Garibaldi did... and was silenced, one way or another. Pity, she was cute when she had her hair down.

As to EarthForce ranks -- did we ever hear about any admirals? Hague was one of the Joint Chiefs, with his own Omega, and he was a general. So was the guy Sheridan talked to in "Point of No Return." I think maybe EarthForce was more an outgrowth of air forces than navies (makes sense, since the US Air Force has responsibility for a lot of space stuff), and those use generals. But then, the EA ranks never made any sense.

Cell July 25th 08 11:47

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They referred to a few different characters that were the rank of Admiral on a few occasions. I do believe there was at least one instance where a minor guest character was an Admiral.

Recoil July 25th 08 16:59

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It was mentioned in a later season (Season 5 I think) that Na'Grath was "off'd" by another crime lord, or something to that effect. So we can assume we stopped seeing him because he was dead.

Lianna everyone assumed survived Santiago's assassination (since she never traveled WITH him...rather ahead of him)....but would be interesting seeing where she ended up in the Civil War too.

Admiral Beckham July 29th 08 20:50

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On two occasions the rank of Admiral was mentioned, one was when Colonel Ari ben Zayn said that the smart money would be on Sinclair making Admiral and the second was when Garibaldi said that Sinclair was way low on the list and it was assumed that some Ambassador, Beaurocrat or Admiral would be in command.

I can't recall an instance when an admiral was shown. The only instance that an Admiral could have been shown was when Sheridan was speaking with an Extremely high ranking officer in regards to the Night Watch and the officer told Sheridan to "Follow the Chain of command".

james

KoshFan July 29th 08 20:59

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That officer was also a general, at least according to the credits.

But like I said, EarthForce ranks were very confusing, and B5's command structure bears no resemblance to any parallel in present-day militaries. JMS was no military expert.

Galahad July 29th 08 22:28

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I'll dig out some of my B5 factfile books at some point and swot up.

I think I read somewhere that it follows the basic NATO command structure with a few international quirks. In the British military, Majors outrank Captains.

For example in the Napoleonic book/Tv drama series Sharpe, the main character rises from Captain to Major (and later ColoneI as well believe).

Ranger1 July 30th 08 00:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Galahad (Post 326616)
I'll dig out some of my B5 factfile books at some point and swot up.

I think I read somewhere that it follows the basic NATO command structure with a few international quirks. In the British military, Majors outrank Captains.

For example in the Napoleonic book/Tv drama series Sharpe, the main character rises from Captain to Major (and later ColoneI as well believe).

that happens everywhere anyway.

A_M_Swallow July 30th 08 06:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Galahad (Post 326616)
I think I read somewhere that it follows the basic NATO command structure with a few international quirks. In the British military, Majors outrank Captains.

Majors out rank army captains but navy captains out rank majors.

The third captain is the commanding officer of a ship.

Admiral Beckham July 30th 08 07:20

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Major Ryan wore the three "pips" of a British Army/marine captain and was presumably on the generals staff as to why he was giving orders on the bridge of a ship with the ships captain deferring to him. It does actually happen in real life.

I agree that the rank structure on B5 is chaotic. What we dont see are British Commonwealth air force ranks of Pilot officer, Flight officer, Flight Lt., Squadron Leader, Group Captain. Now the addition of thaose really would have made a mess of things and yet cleared a great many things up.

It could have been that the various nations that form the EA have different names for equivilent ranks.

james

Galahad July 30th 08 19:21

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Sinclair was a Squadron Leader... I'm sure it's mentioned by Christopher Neame's Knight in his career profile.

GaribaldisHair August 5th 08 17:17

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I thought he said he was a Squad Leader (rather than Squadron Leader) ... which always struck me as more of a job title rather than a rank. May have to re-watch it to check. Oh, what hardship we endure.

:D

Galahad August 10th 08 08:54

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Hey and doesn't he also mention that "smart money said you'd make Admiral some day, but something happened..." ?

Jan August 10th 08 12:10

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Here's what Knight Two says when reciting Sinclair's record:

Quote:

Your name is Jeffrey David Sinclair.
Rank: Commander. Age: 39. Born on
Mars Colony May 3rd, 2218, 9:15
a.m. Earth Standard time. Enlisted
in Earthforce Defense 2237.
Promoted to fighter pilot 2240.
Promoted again to squad leader less
than a year later. A career officer,
like your father, and his father,
and his father...smart money said
you'd make admiral someday. So
what happened, Commander? Where'd
you fall off the merry-go-round?
Jan


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