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Truth_Seeker July 22nd 08 21:52

The Best Guest Characters in B5!
 
I thought that we should have this thread too and remember the most memorable guest characters in the series.

How about the man who believed he was King Arthur in "A Late Delivery From Avalon" played by Michael York?

Or the Head of the Night Watch Mr. Welles.I think that this character was not used enough and it would have been interesting to see him also in the third season.Besides John Vickery would have been a great villain.

Jade Jaguar July 22nd 08 22:43

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Zathras.

hypatia July 22nd 08 23:08

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As was mentioned in this thread's brother thread, Brad Douriff. I know, I know, some people most likely hate that episode, but it's my all-time favorite of the series.

And of course the man who played The Inquisitor. Who came back as Lorien. Lorien I wasn't so excited about, but The Inquisitor chills me to this day, just to think about.

Galahad July 22nd 08 23:14

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Wayne Alexander. He also played at the very least a Narn (during G'Kar's visit to Narn in Season 3 I think) and a Drazi (ironically during Sheridan's later inquisition)

Jade Jaguar July 22nd 08 23:33

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Wayne Alexander is great, with Lorien a favorite of mine.

Cell July 23rd 08 01:57

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Originally Posted by hypatia (Post 326164)
As was mentioned in this thread's brother thread, Brad Douriff. I know, I know, some people most likely hate that episode, but it's my all-time favorite of the series.

Brad Dourif is awesome, and that episode is quite choice. The only problem with Dourif is that I so associate him with Deadwood now that every time I see him in something I think of him as the doctor.

Wayne Alexander would be my man, he was downright awesome every time he was on the screen. Whether it was as a Drakh, Lorien, the Inquisitor, a Narn, a Drazi, he always delivered.

Louis Turenne was also quite good, he was much better as Draal than the new Draal, but at least that meant he could play Brother Theo.

maneth July 23rd 08 04:28

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Going by character rather than actor, definitely Brother Edward.

G'Quon July 23rd 08 14:26

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Ta'Lon was sharp. G'Sten formidable. Na'Far really carried his weight.

But i think my favourite character of all was Emperor Cartagia. I may drink out of fancy glasses but i don't get to do it in the company of severed heads.

Elipsis July 23rd 08 15:46

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Emperor Turhan was very impressive.

PillowRock July 23rd 08 18:05

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It depends.

What is the threshhold beyond which one no longer counts as a "guest" character?

Neroon?

Bester?

G'Quon July 23rd 08 18:46

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Lord Kiro In "Signs & Portents" (S1). They made him one of the most fabulous coats i've ever seen. Black with much silver embroidery. Even his hair was a little different for Centauri in that the fan was straight up, not angled back. Sure the character was a little feeble, but oh well.

aajay July 29th 08 12:35

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Damien London as "Minister". Perfect actor for a perfect role.

Recoil July 29th 08 13:16

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I know I also speak for GKE on this (I think) but Emperor Cartagia. For sure.

GKarsEye July 29th 08 18:55

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Does Cartagia count? He was on for half a dozen eps straight. But no doubt I'm a fan.

Screw it- Ben Zayn is my answer for best AND worst one-off character.

SinCLLLAAIRRRR!

Recoil July 30th 08 01:38

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Dunno. Depends on what they meant when this thread was started. He WAS a guest Character. He was only in 5 episodes? Out of 110? But if this thread meant best guest characters who were only in ONE episode, then he doesn't count.

GKarsEye July 30th 08 03:49

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Best Cartagia scene- casually washing bloody hands while politely chatting to Londo and Vir about making G'Kar scream.
That dude was like something out of a Takeshi Miike movie.

ALeafOnTheWind July 30th 08 14:21

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I got a big grin out of June Lockhart in "Quality of Mercy". I still have no idea how they couldn't have her interact with Lennier in that episode though!

Galahad July 30th 08 18:19

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According to Mumy, they had planned a scene where the two of them pass in a corridor and there is a "half recognition moment". Unfortunately they never had chance to film it...or maybe they did and it got snipped.

Jan July 30th 08 18:53

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Originally Posted by Galahad (Post 326646)
According to Mumy, they had planned a scene where the two of them pass in a corridor and there is a "half recognition moment". Unfortunately they never had chance to film it...or maybe they did and it got snipped.

In the script book, JMS said that the scene where they pass in a hallway happened but it doesn't seem to have made it to the final episode.

Jan

hypatia July 30th 08 22:48

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That's too bad. I know in terms of the plot and the B5 universe, it wasn't important (and some would undoubtedly say it was forced and silly), but such touches are really nice for sci-fi fans. I still remember the airplane trip exchange on "Third Rock from the Sun" between John Lithgow and William Shatner. For fans of the original "Twilight Zone", it was an incredibly funny and precious moment. :lol:

aajay July 31st 08 14:49

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Also have to add Sarah Douglas as J'hadur - Deathwalker. Jane Carr as Timov in Soul Mates was also quite good.

RW7427 July 31st 08 14:53

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I love Jane Carr as Timov! She does an excellent job IMO. :thumbsup:

GKarsEye July 31st 08 17:49

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Timov was great, no doubt, but the other two were equally great. That episode was pretty corny and could have easily been as cringe-inducingly corny as Ivanova's sex dance or the Zarg, but those actresses turned it into one of the show's rarely successful comedic stories.

Jan July 31st 08 18:07

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Trivia note for folks not getting the script books. "Soul Mates" almost didn't get made when Peter David didn't come up with an outline that JMS could approve in two tries. Peter solved the problem but the story was actually spiked (killed). Against all advice, Peter wrote the script on spec and sent it to JMS under the pretense of it being a script for the comics and JMS bought it.

Jan

Raw Shark August 11th 08 07:50

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So I'm listening to the episode soundtrack for Walkabout right now, and my nomination is for Erika Gimpel as Caitlyn (the spelling changes from place to place) in Walkabout. Babylon 5 is very musical, and has so many references to music and its importance. Her acting was very good, her character was soothing. Her singing? Wow. Not generally my style of music, but wow. Hell of a singer.

GKarsEye, you have had me laughing out loud with two of your recent posts and I thank you. The world needs laughter.

Of course, if you go by the markets, the world also needs landmines. Just an observation. :p

Raw Shark

"Don't tickle, smash."
Heinz Guderian

GKarsEye August 11th 08 14:00

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So I'm listening to the episode soundtrack for Walkabout right now, and my nomination is for Erika Gimpel as Caitlyn (the spelling changes from place to place) in Walkabout. Babylon 5 is very musical, and has so many references to music and its importance. Her acting was very good, her character was soothing. Her singing? Wow. Not generally my style of music, but wow. Hell of a singer.
Be prepared to hold a minority opinion on that one. I remember her coming up in discussion before and people are not fans, and opinion I share.
Although, given my personal romantic and musical inclinations, one would think the idea of a sexy, wise but vulnerable R&B singer lifting the spirits of a tortured soul would play right into my fantasies and I would love the story. But the whole thing just felt clumsy and poorly executed to me, and a bit too corny.

Sinclair August 11th 08 21:46

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Depending on the criteria for guest appearances, I would have to say that my favorites were either Neroon or Ta'Lon. If you're going for one shot appearances I'd have to go with Timov, General Franklin, or Elric.

fisheggs August 12th 08 08:39

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With a strong love for Timov, and Murielle, :devil::) No Love for Adira? One of the most influential small characters in the B5 universe.:p:cool:

GKarsEye August 12th 08 13:38

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Originally Posted by fisheggs (Post 327103)
With a strong love for Timov, and Murielle, :devil::) No Love for Adira? One of the most influential small characters in the B5 universe.:p:cool:

My penis votes for Adira.

Recoil August 12th 08 13:48

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It salutes her even.

Galahad August 12th 08 18:04

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Originally Posted by Recoil (Post 327109)
It salutes her even.

No... I don't believe that's a statement of peaceful intent, I do believe he's preparing to joust!:wtf::eek:!!!!!!

hypatia August 13th 08 04:06

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So, which is more influential to you? Appreciation of the sexual attraction, or appreciation of... well, everything else? When it comes to who you considered the one best guest character, is it sexual attraction that wins out?

I'm always interesting in what motivates the majority of the audience.

To clarify, I recall clearly (and painfully) seeing the movie "Dune" when it originally came out and then again many years later. When it originally came out, I admit to having a crush on Kyle MacLachlan.

Seeing it again, many years later, I was actually embarrassed at how different the entire movie seemed to be to me. Why, someone snuck in and rewrote, reshot, and re-edited the entire film, right? I mean, the character of Paul just wasn't the same brilliant character I'd seen in my younger years, was it? :o

And if JMS had ever been cheap enough to write a lousy part for Patrick Stewart, but with a brilliant shower scene, would I have recognized it as such? :o

And one more thought on the issue: some shows are rather obvious in their planting of certain characters in hopes of attracting certain "hormonal" audiences. Let's face it, was the character of Checkov in the original Star Trek series really put in as a gesture of respect to the Russians and their space program? With that awful wig he wore at first? Or was the character added in hopes of attracting more of the hormonal young girls to the show?

Personally, I think Walter Koenig was lucky to get even a single good line or moment in the entire show, considering what (I think) his character was created to do.

And I must say, though the scene in Star Trek the Next Generation that showed the most "skin" of you-know-who was anything but sexy (the Cardassian/Picard torture episodes) and was brilliantly acted, if JMS had written an awful episode guest starring Patrick Stewart on his worst day in the weakest acting moment of his life, would I have recognized it as such? Would I still consider Brother Edwards to be the best guest character that B5 ever had? Or would Brad Dourif's acting and the character of Brother Edwards been quickly forgotten by me?

No comment. :drool:

GKarsEye August 13th 08 13:37

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Why must you over-analyze my penis joke.

hypatia August 13th 08 14:35

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:lol:

I just sense there must be a deeper meaning, as they are so prevalent. ;)

That and I couldn't sleep, and was bored. :devil:

KoshFan August 13th 08 15:04

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Adira is without question the hottest guest star (she taught me that my ponytail addiction can even counteract baldness), but her acting just wasn't that great.

(I have been known, however, to watch really appalling movies in pursuit of prettiness; one evening when I was channel-surfing, I even watched parts of "Bring it On," solely because Eliza Dushku's in it.

Recoil August 13th 08 15:24

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Originally Posted by KoshFan (Post 327138)
(I have been known, however, to watch really appalling movies in pursuit of prettiness; one evening when I was channel-surfing, I even watched parts of "Bring it On," solely because Eliza Dushku's in it.

I've done the same thing on occasion. My most recent one was watching Missy Peregrym in "Stick it." (BTW that movie wasn't about what I thought it was going to be about). The movie itself wasn't that great, but she was STACKED in it. She was in phenomenal shape (clearly worked out to have the body of a gymnast). I enjoyed just watching her and sort of dismissed the movie itself. It did, however, have a somewhat interesting/twist ending that I thought was kind of cool, and almost removed all guilt of watching the movie in the first place.

GKarsEye August 13th 08 16:15

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"Stick it." (BTW that movie wasn't about what I thought it was going to be about).
lol

I also watched a bit of Bring It On, but because of Gabrielle Union. Not that Dushku ain't easy on the eyes too, for sure. I even sat through half of some horrendous formulaic black romantic comedy because of Gabrielle Union. She's... well, she's just great.

Certainly Babylon 5 isn't much on the sexy department. However, I do think Talia Winters added a bit of sexuality to the show, and in a way that actually helped the show. Science fiction in general has a big problem incorporating sexuality (don't even get me started on the modern Trek shows). But with Talia you see a woman who has a somewhat believable romantic and sexual past, stifled by her telepathic powers. So you get this vulnerable but dangerously sexy person. It's a real shame she left the show- a lot more could've been done with her.

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I just sense there must be a deeper meaning, as they are so prevalent.
My penis jokes are prevelant? No deeper meaning beyond my vulgar, immature nature. And, you know- my penis is quite fantastic.

Of course eye-candy is a big part of the fun of popular entertainment, duh. TV and movies, are really not much more than beautiful people doing exciting things.

hypatia August 13th 08 23:23

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Originally Posted by GKarsEye (Post 327140)
And, you know- my penis is quite fantastic.

That sounds exactly like something Markas would say. And that is a compliment, you know. :)

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Of course eye-candy is a big part of the fun of popular entertainment, duh. TV and movies, are really not much more than beautiful people doing exciting things.
That may be the truest general statement I've ever heard made about t.v. and the movies. Even in movies where a major character is not model-stereotype-visual-perfection, they are inevitably making a point by not being so. And they are surrounded by... you guessed it: stereotypical-model-perfection characters.

It just bothers me when, at the age of 43, such things can actually override other elements of entertainment that by all rights at my age should be my main focus. :lol:

PillowRock August 13th 08 23:53

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Originally Posted by hypatia (Post 327150)
It just bothers me when, at the age of 43, such things can actually override other elements of entertainment that by all rights at my age should be my main focus. :lol:

At your age?

What in hezmana do you mean by "at my age" when you're 43?

Remember the old villager in The Magnificent Seven!

"and as to women ..... I became indifferent when I was 83." ;)

GKarsEye August 13th 08 23:55

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And, you know- my penis is quite fantastic.
That sounds exactly like something Markas would say.
You're right, Markas would say my penis is quite fantastic.


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