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KoshN September 4th 07 03:17

Re: Marcus???
 
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Originally Posted by Lousy_Dodgers (Post 307855)
This leads me to wonder whether Byron would have been less annoying if he had only been in a few episodes. Secondly, how would his lines have changed if he had been talking to Ivonova rather than Lyta? I really cannot imagine Ivonova putting up with any "willow tree" crap.

Byron would have been less annoying if played by a different actor. I can't stand Robin Atkin Downes as Morann (In the Beginning) or Grey Council #1 (Atonement), either.

If JMS was trying to cast and write the most annoying character imaginable, with Byron, he succeeded.

raw_bean September 4th 07 10:44

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I thought RAD was quite good as Morann, and I even thought he did quite well with Byron, and some of the writing for the character was quite good. I think the problem was that he was a character who could have been ok in small doses, but we just got too damn much of him.

KoshFan September 4th 07 14:53

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Byron never bothered me much... but I'll confess that with my spotty coverage of Season 5, I still haven't actually heard the telepath song. (Or seen Rebo and Zooty, for that matter.) That might be a factor.

hypatia September 4th 07 15:39

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I think it's mostly the men who have such a huge problem with the character Byron.

Most of the female fans of the show that I know around where I am seemed to key to Byron's part in the plot easier than the guys.

RW7427 September 5th 07 06:16

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I just can't see Susan with Byron. :eek:

**Shudders**

vacantlook September 5th 07 08:30

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Originally Posted by RW7427
I just can't see Susan with Byron.

That's part of the point of it all; Byron wasn't the kind of guy that Ivanova could thoroughly be with, but with the death of Marcus and her regret over having never expressed her feelings to him, she would swing the pendulum too far in the opposite direction and end up in a relationship that wasn't right for her.

raw_bean September 5th 07 10:07

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Originally Posted by hypatia (Post 307984)
I think it's mostly the men who have such a huge problem with the character Byron.

Most of the female fans of the show that I know around where I am seemed to key to Byron's part in the plot easier than the guys.

I can see his part in the plot (in a general sense), but I think the telepath arc in S5 feels a little laboured and stretched out, and he muscles his way into episodes that aren't really about that arc too. Those are symptoms of the whole S4/S5/Claudia Christian leaving debacle, I'm sure.

Also, at the end of the day, even excepting his place in the story, Byron is someone I just wouldn't like in real life - I'm like Zack I guess. :)

Lousy_Dodgers September 7th 07 19:11

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Yeah, I felt rather sympathetic to Zack too. I did find some of Byron's lines interesting though since I had just finished reading Hamlet in English lit when he appeared so I was picking up on many of his references. That was kind of cool but the whole willow tree and BCFMO stuff annoyed me to no end...to say nothing of the singing telepaths.

Out of curiousity, has JMS ever addressed the rather widespread unpopularity of Byron (at least among male viewers)? I am just curious if he was surprised by it or if he understood how the drawn out telepath arc might have left that part of the story a bit thin...

Just for fun, imagine Byron going on walkabout. I would love to hear what he would have to say to himself as I imagine the second Byron to be about 100 times as critical as the second Dr. Franklin.

KoshFan September 7th 07 19:39

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I imagine that in a way, Byron did go on walkabout, but back in his Psi Cop days. The critical side of him took over, forced him to quit the Corps, and started lashing out at others as well.

KoshN September 7th 07 19:54

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Originally Posted by raw_bean (Post 307962)
I thought RAD was quite good as Morann,

He was easier to take as Morann, but then again that character was supposed to be annoying. RAD as Byron grates on my nerves.


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Originally Posted by raw_bean (Post 307962)
...and I even thought he did quite well with Byron, and some of the writing for the character was quite good.

He, the character and the actor, was too effeminate for me to stand. I couldn't see either Ivanova or Lyta going for a guy like him in a million years. Marcus, yeah, but not Byron! :p


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Originally Posted by raw_bean (Post 307962)
...I think the problem was that he was a character who could have been ok in small doses, but we just got too damn much of him.

That was part of the problem. Other parts were his long, wavy blonde hair, the passivity, and the whole bohemian. longhaired group.


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