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Karajorma October 18th 21 01:25

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One thing I have noticed about CW TV shows like Flash and Supergirl is that they have a habit of casting people who have played characters in earlier films and TV shows in related roles on their shows. Getting Helen Slater who was Supergirl in the 1984 film to play Supergirl's mother in the new series for instance. Or getting Kevin Conroy to play Bruce Wayne.



So who might be available to return and in what sort of role? Obviously Bruce Boxleitner could play the new Sheridan's dad. Although I'd probably want to see him as a more grizzled veteran of the Dilgar Wars (or whatever equivalent the new show has).

Kyehlar October 18th 21 07:31

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Claudia Christian said when the news first broke out that JMS kept them in the loop because he wanted them involved in the show, but they have no idea as to what capacity as of yet. So quite possibly in the very same capacity as you've pointed out.

Springer October 18th 21 08:59

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I guess some of the actors could still play their characters? Claudia Christian could play an older General Ivanova, Bill Mumy could probably still play Lennier, and so on. Of course, they might want to play new characters rather than retread old ground.

Looney October 18th 21 14:17

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I just hope they are not random guests of the week, but critical characters like John Wesley Shipp on THE FLASH. They used him twice as different critical characters, but one of those involved a multi-verse situation. ;)

vacantlook October 18th 21 15:26

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I could see Boxleitner as this show's version of General Hague.

RW7427 October 19th 21 00:23

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Patricia Tallman hasn't changed a bit. Maybe she could come back as Lyta :D

Moonface October 19th 21 14:34

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I for once liked Lyta way more than Winters, and Iwas really glad when she returned. So I'd totally love that ^^

But I don't think that JMS would use the same characters, except if he really would let the new show take place 20 years after the first (shouldn't that be "take time?"?). So the B5O was the first 5 years of B5 and B5R would be the last 5 years.

If instead he has a new take on the original story, I don't think he'll use any of the old characters but the old league as special guests. Bruce Boxleitner should play something with heavy makeup to in my opinion, just out of respect for Mira and Bill ^^

I think the "new take on the original story" is the more likely scenario, as he mentioned in one of his commentary viewing that there's nearly no scene he would do different nowadays. So The reboot would give him the chance to do that...

LateArrival October 19th 21 22:11

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Originally Posted by Moonface (Post 465695)
I for once liked Lyta way more than Winters, and Iwas really glad when she returned. So I'd totally love that ^^

If instead he has a new take on the original story, I don't think he'll use any of the old characters but the old league as special guests. Bruce Boxleitner should play something with heavy makeup to in my opinion, just out of respect for Mira and Bill ^^




Lyta/Talia/Lyta was a great example of JMS using his Trap Doors, and hopefully with a reboot he wouldn't have to use them as often as in the original series.

As JMS once referenced that IF a Brady Bunch movie could be made, should be possible for a B5 movie as well... in the Brady Bunch movie Florence Henderson was cast as their grandmother - therefore should be possible for original B5 actors to appear in a rebooted B5 universe as different characters. :)

Kyehlar October 19th 21 23:17

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The other thing is that there were several actors that were in makeup the entire time that could now play without it, and vice/versa. Claudia Christian as a Minbari, Bruce Boxleitner as a Narn... the possibilities are endless.

RW7427 October 20th 21 04:20

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Originally Posted by Kyehlar (Post 465701)
The other thing is that there were several actors that were in makeup the entire time that could now play without it, and vice/versa. Claudia Christian as a Minbari, Bruce Boxleitner as a Narn... the possibilities are endless.

Well, if Claudia could be God playing Ivanova then she could be Valeria if she were playing a Minbari :lol:

Moonface October 20th 21 07:56

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Originally Posted by Kyehlar (Post 465701)
The other thing is that there were several actors that were in makeup the entire time that could now play without it, and vice/versa. Claudia Christian as a Minbari, Bruce Boxleitner as a Narn... the possibilities are endless.

Well, if Claudia could be God playing Ivanova then she could be Valeria if she were playing a Minbari :lol:

Or Ironhart, that's pretty close to godhood, I'd say. From latent telepath to godlike telepath. What an arc ^^

KoshFan October 21st 21 01:32

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Tom Zarek on the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica leaps to mind -- a character far enough away from the actor's original role.

But heh, we've already got a B5 precedent for that, don't we? Koenig as Bester. I'm calling it now -- one of our beloved original cast will play a recurring villain!

vacantlook October 21st 21 02:12

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Originally Posted by KoshFan (Post 465717)
But heh, we've already got a B5 precedent for that, don't we? Koenig as Bester. I'm calling it now -- one of our beloved original cast will play a recurring villain!

Bruce Boxleitner as President Clark?

Kyehlar October 21st 21 10:16

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Originally Posted by vacantlook (Post 465719)
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Originally Posted by KoshFan (Post 465717)
But heh, we've already got a B5 precedent for that, don't we? Koenig as Bester. I'm calling it now -- one of our beloved original cast will play a recurring villain!

Bruce Boxleitner as President Clark?

Bill Mumy as Morden?

vacantlook October 21st 21 18:25

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Originally Posted by Kyehlar (Post 465723)
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Originally Posted by vacantlook (Post 465719)
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Originally Posted by KoshFan (Post 465717)
But heh, we've already got a B5 precedent for that, don't we? Koenig as Bester. I'm calling it now -- one of our beloved original cast will play a recurring villain!

Bruce Boxleitner as President Clark?

Bill Mumy as Morden?

Switch the polarity: former antagonist turns good guy. Peter Jurasik as Emperor Turhan?

Jan October 21st 21 19:34

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Originally Posted by vacantlook (Post 465727)

Switch the polarity: former antagonist turns good guy. Peter Jurasik as Emperor Turhan?

Better yet (more episodes) Lord Refa! That would be fun!

Lyta's Shadow October 21st 21 20:26

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This thread just makes me think 'Heather Locklear'. Stranger things have happened...! :lol:

RW7427 October 22nd 21 00:49

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Originally Posted by Jan (Post 465731)
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Originally Posted by vacantlook (Post 465727)

Switch the polarity: former antagonist turns good guy. Peter Jurasik as Emperor Turhan?

Better yet (more episodes) Lord Refa! That would be fun!

Seeing Refa get ganged up on by a bunch of Narns :lol:

hypatia October 22nd 21 05:04

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Although I'd love to see some guest appearances from the original series, I really just want to see what an alternate universe's Babylon 5 would be like. I want to be surprised.

KoshFan October 22nd 21 05:18

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Originally Posted by hypatia (Post 465745)
I want to be surprised.

Indeed.

Jan October 22nd 21 13:36

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Originally Posted by hypatia (Post 465745)
Although I'd love to see some gust appearances from the original series, I really just want to see what an alternate universe's Babylon 5 would be like. I want to be surprised.

Completely agree! But this sort of thread reminds me of an episode JMS wanted to do but had nixed by the Powers That Be (don't recall if it was WB or PTEN): He wanted to do a dream episode where the actors played different characters. JMS showed the premise in the script books where G'Kar falls ill and has this dream:

Quote:

The shape the dream takes is as follows: he
awakes in darkness, goes to the mirror, turns
on the lights...and he's human. He is in an
Earth uniform. He is Captain Jack Carr of the
Earth Alliance; his female Russian second in
command is Commander Dylan (a human version of
Delenn, played by Mira without makeup), and his
security chief is Len (the human version of
Londo, played by Peter without makeup). They
don't believe his story that this is a
dream...neither do the various ambassadors,
Minbari ambassador Sherdinn (Bruce in
prosthetics), Narn ambasador S'san (Claudia in
prosthetics), or Centauri ambassador Garbaldo
(Jerry in prosthetics).
Could have been so much fun!!

LateArrival October 22nd 21 16:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jan (Post 465750)
Quote:

Originally Posted by hypatia (Post 465745)
Although I'd love to see some gust appearances from the original series, I really just want to see what an alternate universe's Babylon 5 would be like. I want to be surprised.

Completely agree! But this sort of thread reminds me of an episode JMS wanted to do but had nixed by the Powers That Be (don't recall if it was WB or PTEN): He wanted to do a dream episode where the actors played different characters. JMS showed the premise in the script books where G'Kar falls ill and has this dream:

Quote:

The shape the dream takes is as follows: he
awakes in darkness, goes to the mirror, turns
on the lights...and he's human. He is in an
Earth uniform. He is Captain Jack Carr of the
Earth Alliance; his female Russian second in
command is Commander Dylan (a human version of
Delenn, played by Mira without makeup), and his
security chief is Len (the human version of
Londo, played by Peter without makeup). They
don't believe his story that this is a
dream...neither do the various ambassadors,
Minbari ambassador Sherdinn (Bruce in
prosthetics), Narn ambasador S'san (Claudia in
prosthetics), or Centauri ambassador Garbaldo
(Jerry in prosthetics).
Could have been so much fun!!




Would also have been :) Revenge of the Makeup Trailers :) and the possible return of Abrahamo Lincolni.

I thought another reason it might have gotten the axe was it was considered Too Similar to the DS9 episode Far Beyond the Stars, although in that episode everyone was without makeup since it took place "in the 60s". B5's episode would have had the actors swapping roles while still keeping certain characters in makeup. Different concepts, but someone worried that it was Too Similar?

Jan October 22nd 21 19:57

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Originally Posted by LateArrival (Post 465752)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jan (Post 465750)
Quote:

Originally Posted by hypatia (Post 465745)
Although I'd love to see some gust appearances from the original series, I really just want to see what an alternate universe's Babylon 5 would be like. I want to be surprised.

Completely agree! But this sort of thread reminds me of an episode JMS wanted to do but had nixed by the Powers That Be (don't recall if it was WB or PTEN): He wanted to do a dream episode where the actors played different characters. JMS showed the premise in the script books where G'Kar falls ill and has this dream:

Quote:

The shape the dream takes is as follows: he
awakes in darkness, goes to the mirror, turns
on the lights...and he's human. He is in an
Earth uniform. He is Captain Jack Carr of the
Earth Alliance; his female Russian second in
command is Commander Dylan (a human version of
Delenn, played by Mira without makeup), and his
security chief is Len (the human version of
Londo, played by Peter without makeup). They
don't believe his story that this is a
dream...neither do the various ambassadors,
Minbari ambassador Sherdinn (Bruce in
prosthetics), Narn ambasador S'san (Claudia in
prosthetics), or Centauri ambassador Garbaldo
(Jerry in prosthetics).
Could have been so much fun!!




Would also have been :) Revenge of the Makeup Trailers :) and the possible return of Abrahamo Lincolni.

I thought another reason it might have gotten the axe was it was considered Too Similar to the DS9 episode Far Beyond the Stars, although in that episode everyone was without makeup since it took place "in the 60s". B5's episode would have had the actors swapping roles while still keeping certain characters in makeup. Different concepts, but someone worried that it was Too Similar?

Perhaps. But since I'm the same age as JMS, I'd have to suppose that if he got the idea from anywhere, it would have been from the ensemble nature of the old Dark Shadows soap opera.

KoshN October 22nd 21 21:04

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Originally Posted by Jan (Post 465750)
Quote:

Originally Posted by hypatia (Post 465745)
Although I'd love to see some gust appearances from the original series, I really just want to see what an alternate universe's Babylon 5 would be like. I want to be surprised.

Completely agree! But this sort of thread reminds me of an episode JMS wanted to do but had nixed by the Powers That Be (don't recall if it was WB or PTEN): He wanted to do a dream episode where the actors played different characters. JMS showed the premise in the script books where G'Kar falls ill and has this dream:

Quote:

The shape the dream takes is as follows: he
awakes in darkness, goes to the mirror, turns
on the lights...and he's human. He is in an
Earth uniform. He is Captain Jack Carr of the
Earth Alliance; his female Russian second in
command is Commander Dylan (a human version of
Delenn, played by Mira without makeup), and his
security chief is Len (the human version of
Londo, played by Peter without makeup). They
don't believe his story that this is a
dream...neither do the various ambassadors,
Minbari ambassador Sherdinn (Bruce in
prosthetics), Narn ambasador S'san (Claudia in
prosthetics), or Centauri ambassador Garbaldo
(Jerry in prosthetics).
Could have been so much fun!!

Garbaldo, :guffaw:

hypatia October 22nd 21 21:06

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The original Dark Shadows series is one of my guilty pleasures.

Regarding the dream episode: Wow, that would have been amazing! I can't imagine what the network didn't like about it. I was watching a You Tube interview with the actor who played Lennier (Bill Mumy) and apparently he HATED the makeup. I'm sure he'd have loved an episode that allowed him to play a human character.

Markas October 26th 21 20:39

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Originally Posted by hypatia (Post 465760)
The original Dark Shadows series is one of my guilty pleasures.

Interestingly, I am browsing some of the old Dark Shadows recently. It is on Tubi streaming channel for free.

hypatia October 28th 21 04:15

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I dropped cable/satellite service and now I just use Hulu Plus.

Looney March 23rd 22 13:39

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Originally Posted by KoshFan (Post 465717)
Tom Zarek on the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica leaps to mind -- a character far enough away from the actor's original role.

But heh, we've already got a B5 precedent for that, don't we? Koenig as Bester. I'm calling it now -- one of our beloved original cast will play a recurring villain!

So I was going back through this discussion. TOM ZAREK is a great example, but personally they really messed up that character. The first couple of episodes he was in were absolutely great, then (IMO like everything in new BSG) they totally screwed it up. Regardless, my hope is that all old cast members get big roles in the new series - bigger than what was given to Richard Hatch. I think there is plenty of room for any of them to come back as villains or whatever. I do have to admit the one person I would like to see come back as the same character is Koenig. You know I love every B5 character, but I still feel that in the grand scheme of things Koenig doesn't get the credit he deserves from the World for playing such a great villain. :lol: But I would be fine with him coming back as any character.

Looney May 15th 22 15:53

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Just posting in a new thread so people might see it. Are you all hiding from me? :wtf: ;)

hypatia May 15th 22 18:20

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:lol: I am never sure if I should post here if I donít have any real news. I keep looking at the threadís title to see if any posts are there, in the never-ending hope that we might hear some news on a B5 reboot moving forward at whatever channel the CW was engulfed by.

I will keep looking at the thread. Iím as hard to shake off as a bad rash. :p

Looney May 16th 22 14:28

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Iím as hard to shake off as a bad rash. :p

I believe someone did say that about you. :p :guffaw:

Well I keep posting because I want it to appear there are active threads. New Members and prospective members will likely be discouraged by seeing a bunch of threads no one has posted in lately. I just feel bad for them because they might end up talking to me. :lol:

You know I am going back through the show and it really is remarkable how many good guest stars they landed, GEOMETRY OF SHADOW with MICHAEL ANSARA last night. I REALLY can't wait to see whom the reboot comes up with. BUT I feel like original cast members have to have multi-episode arcs. They REALLY need to get on this so we can see what JMS comes up with for Walter Koenig. But Bruce, Claudia, Pat, Peter, Jason, Bill, and Andrea (if she wants to come back) all need multi-episode roles, and by multi-episode I mean at least 50each. ;) Also would love for Tamlyn to get a substantial role. I think Josh Coxx would make a great villain - I only say this because, as I believe I might have referenced earlier, he had a great one-off villain role on REVOLUTION that should have become a series regular villain role.

Springer May 16th 22 21:51

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I do wonder whether including actors from the original show would become a bit gimmicky. We'd be watching to see Boxleitner or Christian, and putting emphasis on that rather than the story or the character. So I could see an argument against doing that.

I suppose it depends on how it's done. Richard Hatch in nu-BSG is an example of how it's done right (well, at least until they just turned him into a villain)

hypatia May 16th 22 23:09

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It would be a tricky balance (pleasing fans of the classic show while not pandering to them). I know when they rebooted Doctor Who they avoided bringing any of the older characters back to the show for some time. But I think in the end regretted not having Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart return. Later, they brought in one of his descendants (or relative of some kind, maybe niece?). I think a lot of us regretted missing a chance to see this beloved character again.

LateArrival May 17th 22 00:08

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Originally Posted by hypatia (Post 467851)
It would be a tricky balance (pleasing fans of the classic show while not pandering to them). I know when they rebooted Doctor Who they avoided bringing any of the older characters back to the show for some time. But I think in the end regretted not having Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart return. Later, they brought in one of his descendants (or relative of some kind, maybe niece?). I think a lot of us regretted missing a chance to see this beloved character again.


Was doing some off-topic reading as it appears they are bringing back two companions from the Classic series - Tegan and Ace - later this year. Was scrolling and clicking here-and-there and read that Nicholas Courtney made a brief appearance on screen as The Brigadier in the Dec 2008 (S2E11-12) episodes of the Sarah Jane Adventures. While the new series didn't revisit Classic characters that often, at least there are the Big Finish releases. :)

hypatia May 17th 22 04:50

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Originally Posted by LateArrival (Post 467852)
Was doing some off-topic reading as it appears they are bringing back two companions from the Classic series - Tegan and Ace - later this year. Was scrolling and clicking here-and-there and read that Nicholas Courtney made a brief appearance on screen as The Brigadier in the Dec 2008 (S2E11-12) episodes of the Sarah Jane Adventures. While the new series didn't revisit Classic characters that often, at least there are the Big Finish releases. :)

Yes, I have heard something about them returning. I had wished Nyssa could return, too. But it will be great to see how the modern writing will deal with these headstrong characters.

I didnít know about the Brigadier in The Sarah Jane Adventures. Iíll have to see if Hulu or HBO Max has that series. Iíve seen some of it, but not much. It was definitely made more for kids, but it looked like it might be fun. Thanks for sharing that, Late Arrival.

hypatia May 17th 22 04:55

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to bring it back to on topic, I saw a YouTube video last night about the whole delay thing. I gather Stargate, Babylon 5 and another series are all in a holding pattern. So no new information, just that other series are in the same boat.

Looney May 20th 22 15:01

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I don't know if I could take another Stargate series. I love SG-1 so dearly, but I also hate it sooooooooooooooooooooo much - as I have rambled on about many times. If there is a new Stargate Series then I'd like JMS to run it. If he can't then it needs to be me. :cool:

THERE WILL BE NO MENTION OF ASCENSION!!!!! (TAG THAT AS MY COPWRITE BECAUSE I AM GOING TO START MAKING T-SHIRTS FOR THE CAMPAIGN.) ;)


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